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NEWS: Rurouni Kenshin Creator Nobuhiro Watsuki Charged With Child Pornography Possession


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mglittlerobin



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:48 pm Reply with quote
TdFern 87 wrote:
I still want to believe that he will still continue his career. Hopefully. But I can garner his reputation will never be the same. However doesn't anyone think, this is blown out of proportion, while child pornography is bad, I don't see the big deal as he wasn't enacting pedophilia under the influence.

But he was supporting an industry that exploits children, doesn't matter if he didn't "do" anything physically to anyone, he supported people who DID!

Now I don't agree with burning or destroying merchandise because he got your money if you bought the manga and he got money selling this license for the anime.

If you want to get rid of your Rurouni Kenshin merchandise, do sell it off to fans who want to buy the anime and manga without supporting the creator.
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CrowLia



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:00 pm Reply with quote
TdFern 87 wrote:
I still want to believe that he will still continue his career. Hopefully. But I can garner his reputation will never be the same. However doesn't anyone think, this is blown out of proportion, while child pornography is bad, I don't see the big deal as he wasn't enacting pedophilia under the influence.


Think of it this way: If you hire a professional assassin and pay them to murder someone you're not physically killing the person but you're equally responsible for the crime committed. Child pornography is the same. By buying it, you're explicitly paying people to continue trafficking and sexually exploiting children. It is in no way being blown out of proportion
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Sunny milk



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:49 am Reply with quote
Because we can't forget, being pedophile is something a man chooses to be, when his heart turns evil, so obviously this man can't do anything sincerely nice.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:57 pm Reply with quote
revolutionotaku wrote:
First Hetalia voice actors & now manga artists are getting busted, too?!?!? WTF???!!!


true enough. however unlike the hetalia VAs and the incident involving dxd's scott freeman, any info involving this case is more or less under raps which is suspicious to me.

now its as I said with freeman's case. if what watsuki had was just 18+ doujins from cons like comiket (since some of these mangakas were once artists for some ero circles) or ero loli games and/or visual novels as well as their ova adaptations (ie: choisuji , shoujo ramune) , then its pretty much the govt playing judge, jury and executioner on mangakas again. HOWEVER, if it turns out that he did have the real thing, then he definitely deserves what happens next.
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karyuudo0127



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:24 pm Reply with quote
CrowLia wrote:
TdFern 87 wrote:
I still want to believe that he will still continue his career. Hopefully. But I can garner his reputation will never be the same. However doesn't anyone think, this is blown out of proportion, while child pornography is bad, I don't see the big deal as he wasn't enacting pedophilia under the influence.


Think of it this way: If you hire a professional assassin and pay them to murder someone you're not physically killing the person but you're equally responsible for the crime committed. Child pornography is the same. By buying it, you're explicitly paying people to continue trafficking and sexually exploiting children. It is in no way being blown out of proportion


Hate to break it to you... but a good chunk of Japan still supports this underground industry and doesn't want it to change at all. It's going to take a long time (if ever) before Japan's males will change the way they view women, and under age porn videos such as these. It's just a very different country and culture to what we in Western nations are used to.
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karyuudo0127



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:28 pm Reply with quote
Sunny milk wrote:
Because we can't forget, being pedophile is something a man chooses to be, when his heart turns evil, so obviously this man can't do anything sincerely nice.


I wouldn't say Watsuki is evil, he just got caught doing what a good portion of the Japanese male population is into - young girls. This is why groups like AKB48 exists because they play on those older guys with money who want to see cute under age girls dance and sing.

Hell, even in ANN's advertisements below we've got figurines that look like under age girls. Granted they're anime characters... but still...

https://otakumode.com/shop/5924f467d67ee0d04f0899c7/Fate-Kaleid-Liner-Prisma-Illya-Illyasviel-von-Einzbern-Chloe-von-Einzbern-SP-Color-Ver-1-7-Scale-Figure-Set?utm_source=animenewsnetwork&utm_medium=widget&utm_content=960x120&utm_campaign=ad_ann_widget_960x120&tom_cohort=ad_ann_widget_960x120
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:00 pm Reply with quote
karyuudo0127 wrote:
Sunny milk wrote:
Because we can't forget, being pedophile is something a man chooses to be, when his heart turns evil, so obviously this man can't do anything sincerely nice.


I wouldn't say Watsuki is evil, he just got caught doing what a good portion of the Japanese male population is into - young girls. This is why groups like AKB48 exists because they play on those older guys with money who want to see cute under age girls dance and sing.


You don't know the difference between being a pedophile and being an heterosexual? Pedophiles are attracted to prepubescent children, which are under the age of 12. Heterosexual people are attracted to reproductively functional people even if they are 14-17 years old.

By the way Sunny Milk was being sarcastic in that post: it's a fact that pedophiles don't choose to be pedophiles. Sexual orientation is not a choice.

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Hell, even in ANN's advertisements below we've got figurines that look like under age girls. Granted they're anime characters... but still...


Actually a Japanese psychiatrist explained that being into underage anime characters is completely different from pedophilia. In fact Brazilian law also explicitly explained that shotacon and lolicon porn are perfectly legal because it's character designs are completely different from physical reality.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:53 am Reply with quote
jr240483 wrote:

if what watsuki had was just 18+ doujins from cons like comiket (since some of these mangakas were once artists for some ero circles) or ero loli games and/or visual novels as well as their ova adaptations (ie: choisuji , shoujo ramune) , then its pretty much the govt playing judge, jury and executioner on mangakas again. HOWEVER, if it turns out that he did have the real thing, then he definitely deserves what happens next.

Aside from the fact that the former aren't illegal under Japanese law, the article makes it quite clear early on:
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According to the authorities, Watsuki possessed numerous DVDs with nude footage of young girls in their early teens,...
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karyuudo0127



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:42 am Reply with quote
Here's an article that sheds light on some of the problems in Japan about sexual assault...and basically how little if anything gets done about it.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/11/25/national/media-national/metoo-movement-confuses-media-japan/
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:39 am Reply with quote
I just now found out about this. I'm plain stunned, but we've been hearing about this sort of thing more often than not, so I'm not as shocked as someone would be at hearing news like this. Nothing in life surprises me anymore.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:27 am Reply with quote
Sunny milk wrote:
Because we can't forget, being pedophile is something a man chooses to be, when his heart turns evil, so obviously this man can't do anything sincerely nice.


You're right, of course, that people do not choose to be pedophiles.

You know what is a choice though? Looking at, and purchasing, child porn.





It's funny. Oftentimes when "loli" and "shota" type content is brought up, defenders of that content will bring up the argument that those drawings can provide a "safe" outlet for people with unfortunate desires, a way for them to get some release without actually harming or involving real children. And you know what, I actually agree with this.

I actually have sympathy for pedophiles, and feel that the way "pedophile" and "child predator/molester" are so often equated is wrong and harmful. A pedophile who does not hurt or support the abuse of children in any way, one who either avoids porn entirely or only uses stuff like drawings/doujins/etc, is not in my opinion automatically a bad person.

And all of that is utterly meaningless and irrelevant right now, because Watsuki purchased child porn.

He had so many other options. I'm sure he's aware of the vast collection of drawings out there he could have indulged in.

But instead he purchased child porn.

Heck, he's a talented artist. If he wanted to, he could have drawn the content he wanted to see himself!

But instead he purchased child porn.

The problem isn't that Watsuki is a pedophile. The problem is that he supported, both through creating demand and also financially, an industry that abuses children.

Watsuki isn't some poor fool being persecuted for desires he did not ask for or want. He's a gross man who knowingly and deliberately supported the sexual abuse and exploitation of children.
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KH91



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:28 pm Reply with quote
What a bomb. Despite losing old fans, it also gained new fans.

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In his deposition, Watsuki allegedly said that he "liked girls in late elementary school to around the second year of middle school."


LMAO I can just imagine how he said that. Mad chill and all.

The manga is on hiatus now. Well, he can't work on it due to being busy so what else were you going to do. lol
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TheAnimeRevolutionizer



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:52 pm Reply with quote
Oh Watsuki. A tear would have been shed from me should he had well, focused more on developing his talents.

I love Rurouni Kenshin, but even then there's so much more to be had even when the last chapter came out years ago. And so, such things have come and gone.

しょぐない。終わり。
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whisperinthenet



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:50 pm Reply with quote
Long time fan of the series and will continue to be. Yes the author did something bad, but the master piece he created is one thing and the author and his actions is another. Some people have gone overboard and speak about him as if he had killed someone, or committed a mass genocide. Not saying this because its the creator of RK, but there are lots of hypocrite people in his fan base. One of the main lessons to be learned from the series is that people can change, people can repent and people can atone for their sins. Yet I see so many people in this community that ignore or forgot completely about this. To put it bluntly I've known of people who's lives have been saved from potential suicide thanks to these series, and countless people who's lives simply went from really bad, to good and stable.

It is to be expected for people to focus only on the bad things, that's how humans work. What Watsuki did is shameful, and so is overseeing the good he has done and mocking the fact lives were spared or fixed thanks to him.

And to those who say they regret buying his manga, dvd etc. and will throw it away are being immature. It's like saying: all the knives in the world should be erased from existence because a guy used 1 to kill someone else! The knives are evil, burn them all. I don't care if they can save people, is needed as a basic tool, or can be used for good!

Being mad at him, pointing out what he did wrong, and learning from the experience is fine, but overdoing without justification, just because its trendy nowadays ain't cool.

Lots of ignorance around here too. The correct term would be Hebephilia, due to the age he has stated he likes. Saying people choose this is simply wrong. The American Psychiatric Association (APA) acknowledges this as a mental disorder. Technically its like mocking an autistic person for hurting someone due to his illness. And lets not forget theres lots of women that are pedophiles out there. These are people that need medical treatment to be able to overcome the illness.

Very disappointed with Watsuki, but also with the community and humanity as a whole.
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