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angel_lover
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Maybe, but that doesn't make it true. To quote from one of my posts in another thread:
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Keonyn
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Ah, of course, well I might recommend "Child pornography: an international perspective", mostly on the 3rd page and past, including a specific quote from the LAPD on page 4. May also want to look at "The Effects of Pornography" which details other methods it is commonly used for. Another study can be found in the article "How Pornography Harms Children".
If you want to pursue the matter further you need not search far for more evidence if common sense isn't enough. It's a sick thing and shouldn't be discarded so easily, since sexuality is about stimulation it is pretty much a given that to collect it for the purpose of stimulation implies that the individual has a tendency to be drawn towards that. It may not guarantee they will commit a crime as a result but sexuality is not just a psychological response but a physical response as well and the bodies reactions can often drive a person to perform acts they may not necessarily do otherwise. Since breaking peoples necks like you saw in a movie is generally just a purely psychological response it does not create a drive to do the same. Some people have the willpower to keep their drive in check, others do not, and when that drive is something that promotes the abuse of children it really shouldn't be ignored. |
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Kazuki-san
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Neither does it make it false. I deal with "experts" in many fields on a daily basis at my place of employment. The fact is that the accuracy of just about any study cannot be confirmed, and research can only be done on those that come forward and/or are caught. If you can't talk to person X, who committed a sex crime against a minor and is a pedophile, because it was never reported, then you can't include them in your research, and I call research with such a large unknown element to it hogwash. |
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Kouji
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One thing I think we're forgetting is this important detail, "In total he was accused of 20 counts of receiving obscene materials, 20 counts of receiving obscene visual representations of sexual abuse of children, 14 counts of receiving child pornography and 20 counts of sending and receiving obscene e-mails describing sexual abuse of children." This last statement seems to indicate that he has committed sexual absuse on children, so I don't think he's being arrested just because of him possesing child porn unless I read this wrong.
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cyrax777
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14 counts of receiving child pornography main thing he got nailed on rightfully so. a good lawyer could get the anime stuff tossed out as there technically not child porn as no real child involved per supreme court ruling.
this also hurts him more The downloads occurred while the man was on probation for a previous conviction involving child pornography. he's violating the terms of his probation. its not like there busting him for mere possesion of "anime/manga kiddy porn" more on the virtual porn ruling http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-795.ZS.html also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_porn this guys a scum bag let him rot. |
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Gamelore
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Personally, I don't even see what the problem is with child porn. It's anatomy.
Not only should it not be illegal, but getting 1k+ years in prison is absolutely ridiculous. Not to mention that some of it is just anime/computer drawings... 
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angel_lover
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The first article is written by a lawyer, not an academic, criminologist or medical professional. It was a working paper submitted to a congress, not the proceedings of that congress, and therefore has no international standing other than representing the opinions of the author and the sponsor, which is a US Embassy. It draws on the opinions mainly of law enforcement personnel, whose main interest is to convict as many people as possible of as serious an offence as possible. The panel of "experts" consulted includes a VP of the National Coalition for the Protection of Children and Families (see below), and the infamous R. P. Tyler of the LAPD, who once made the assertion that US government agencies are the main distributors of child pornography. The second document is from the National Coalition for the Protection of Children and Families, a self-appointed right-wing pressure group that opposes such things as sex education in schools, and believes that perverted, obscene books such as Thomas Hardy's "Tess of the d'Urbervilles" should not be allowed to be used as school text books. As for the third document, to quote from the COPA Commission website, the author, the anti-porn activist Donna Rice Hughes, "has over 20 years experience in marketing, advertising, communications, public relations and government relations." In other words, she's a professional spin doctor, not an academic, criminologist or medical practitioner. It's also interesting to note that she's the woman who brought the Democratic presidential nomination campain of Sen. Gary Hart in the 1980's to an abrupt end by embroiling him in a sex scandal. The document itself is indeed a remarkable example of spin, containing such phrases as "According to one study...", "A study showed that...", and so on - in other words, "Only one study out of many showed that..." The crowning achievement in spin has to be the assertion "The sexual excitement and eventual release obtained through pornography are mood altering. For example, if a young boy's early stimulus was pornographic photographs, he can be conditioned to become aroused through photographs. Once this pairing is rewarded a number of times, it is likely to become permanent" - this is backed up by an article entitled ""The Influence of Pornography on Sexual Development: Three Case Histories." Three! Sorry, you're going to have to try harder than this... |
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Gauss
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That last part should never be forgotten, that child porn involves rape and abuse of children. Cartoony and virtual child porn lacks that criminal aspect, but it's still reprehensible in most people's eyes. The question of incitament also remains, at least in the sense of tempting people into pedophilia. So it's perhaps not too surprising that legislators would come up with a law that stresses public morals even stronger than before. Mind, I have enough faith in human reason to believe that only the tiniest fraction of people will turn into every parent's nightmare from watching/reading certain hentai stuff. Even so it might do people a turn of good to sit back and think about what exactly is depicted in those hentai animes and mangas. |
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fxg97873
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Which explains why I jump on the bones of every pretty girl that walks by? (must be those Victoria Secret Specials on TV!)
Well, sex and violence are not as separate as most people think. (avid watchers of animal and nature shows will attest to that). Sex is a rather violent activity (yes, the legends are true...some fanboys do have sex and have even been known to trick girls into marrying them  ).
Even "sweet love" still classifies as a violent activity. I would be more detailed as to why sex is a violent activity but I will only encourage everyone to go have sex and evaluate the process. Plus, breaking necks like Steven Seagal looks like fun...Seriously, there is some pleasure derived from violence (once again, an activity not so dissimilar from sex). Most first-person-shooter video gamers will attest to this (e.g. Quake, Doom).
If I had a child and some f*ck head did something to her, I would kill him. At the same time, we shouldn't make the world into a "Minority Report". We shouldn't convict people only because we THOUGHT they would commit a crime. mk2000 |
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angel_lover
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For the record, I do see what's wrong with child pornography. By my definition, this is actual photographs of actual children under the age of consent being sexually abused - in other words, a photographic record of a crime being committed. However, I don't see what's wrong with having pornographic thoughts about children, and also I don't see what's wrong with actual photographs of actual children where no criiminal act is otherwise being committed.
I do have a daughter, and if something happened to her, I'd want to do the same. However, I hope that I'd have more self-control than the guy responsible for the crime in the first place. Last edited by angel_lover on Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:28 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Gamelore
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I don't see how anyone is getting abused by taking their own picture, naked.
Call me obscenely objective, but I don't agree with age-based laws at all. |
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Azumangaman
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This man really is disgusting and he deserves this sentence. But there are a lot of problems with this. People who rape or murder people get in jail for say 35 years. Then they get out and do it again. Take Carla Homolka for example. For those who don't know, she murdered a schoolgirl (well, more than one) and then when released just 15 years later. That's right, 15 years. For KILLING 2 people. A person looks at some photos and gets the life sentence. The punishment the man is facing is fair,but is also stupid. There are still millions more sick freaks obsessed with looking or raping innocent young children out there. They have to be stopped. Besides, looking at little boys and girls IS disgusting, but there are many worse people in this world. WAY worse.
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angel_lover
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Me neither, which is why the "official" definitions of child pornography suck. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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This is exactly what anime fandom needs: a vocal minority that has no problem with pedophilia and seeks to validate it and accept it. Child porn is dangerous because nine times out of ten the child has been coerced or persuaded to do it against their will and have no idea what's going on. It causes irreversible psychological damage and... You know? I'm sitting here explaining what's wrong with child porn to someone. This is the Twilight Zone. You're not "obscenely objective", you're obscenely wrong. |
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Azumangaman
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How oh so very true, how oh so very true. |
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