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NEWS: 4Kids Profit Falls Again

Actually, 4Kids did not bring all western eyes to Japan. Remember the classic shows, Robotech, Speed Racer? Those brought Western Eyes in Japan. If you mean the 90's through 2000's, then Sailor Moon brought people's attention to anime. Sailor Moon appeared in both public and Cartoon Network channel(s).

Now that was just the start, as Sailor Moon came out 1995 in public television, re-airing in Cartoon Network in '98, the year Pokemon was launched in Public Television.

Now Dragon Ball Z, according to ANN, had aired in America 1996, two years before the public launch of Pokemon. I know it had been very popular, towards the older children through the teenagers and beyond.

Pokemon, on the otherhand, had not been discovered by the public just yet. It was two years, and Pokemon was a hit. But that doesn't necessarily mean that the public had not already there eyes on Japan. Don't forget, Pokemon had followed after some great hits, not before them.

Again, 4kids did not introduce anime into the US, other previous hits did. -_-

Shaman King is a very appealing show, in my opinion, and it's not just the silly name changes that made the dub suck. It was the voices. Some may agree for it to be a great dub, but some may agree for it to be a crappy dub. It's all a matter of opinion.

All? shoujo titles have been done well? As I state again, it's a matter of opinion. In my opinion, and alot of anime fans, 4kids just plain out sucks in dubbing, even their shoujo titles. The only shoujo titles they have is DoreMi, Futari wa Pretty Cure, and Tokyo Mew Mew. All of those, in my opinion have been dubbed horrible.

Don't Forget, 4kids sub-licensed Fighting Foodons, Enoki Films licensed it. That's hard to believe. Despite Foodons ratings here at ANN and many anime review sites, you seem to compliment their writing.

Ultimate Muscle seems to be getting bad ratings, so it's really hard to believe that because of the 4kids adaptation, that Toei would make another season.

It's like saying that due to the (failure) popularity of let's say Kirby Right Back at Ya, in America, that they would (waste) use their time wisely, to create another (failure) season. Just look at all three ratings, of all three shows, Ulimate Muscle, Fighting Foodons, and Kirby Right Back at Ya.

Look all of them up in Anime Review sites, and see how (craptacular) great these shows are.

You seem like you like 4kids or consider them a decent company, but most anime fans disagree.

Times really have changed over the last decade. I can't imagine anyone defending Carl Macek like some are defending 4Kids, back in the day, when he was butchering Castle Cagliostro to make it more accessible. I just thank my stars that none of 4Kids' properties have been anything I personally want to watch.

------RM

More Big News! 4Kids is not an anime company! They could give a rat's arse about anime fans! They're a children's entertainment company, people!

Times really have changed over the last decade. I can't imagine anyone defending Carl Macek like some are defending 4Kids, back in the day, when he was butchering Castle Cagliostro to make it more accessible.

The drop in sales for TMNT merchandise doesn't bode too well for the new movie.

Anyone ever consider the idea that perhaps 4Kids isn't really looking to cater to anime fans? That we are not their target demographic? Maybe, just maybe, instead of trying to market to anime fans, they are marketing to children?? Why would they try to make their shows friendlier to us than children, when parents spend a ton more money on merchandise for kids than otaku do? That makes no sense at all.

They don't have to try and promote anime. They don't have to make cuts and dubs to please us. All they have to do is get children interested in their shows and release a related line of toys. The arguement about whether Pokemon made anime mainstream really has nothing to do with the profits of 4Kids, because that is not their goal. The decrease in profits has nothing to do with us.

Malintex Terek, I believe you work for 4Kids or something. Face it, they are THE WORST company when it comes to anime EVER!!! They edit unneccercary things like rice balls to cookies, black people to white people, cutting out episodes and ENTIRE ARCS completely!!! And I definately don't think 4Kids brought anime to main stream, if anyone did it was FUNimation, and they didn't even cut as much as 4Kids did. LOOK AT THE NUMBERS DUDE!!!! 4Kids is sinking faster than the titanic because anime fans are tired of they're bull. If the want to SOMEWHAT change this, they'll make less edits and release Uncuts of they're properties already. Then just MAYBE The numbers will go up slighty. Now go back to your corporate desk where you crawled from 4kids executive.

anyone else having fun following this thread other than me?

The vast majority of people also agree it was a superior dub to One Piece, with an uncut DVD release and even incidents of real cursing on the 4Kids.tv broadcast (like "damn" or "bastard").