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The Heroic Spirit of My Hero Academia

The comments nicely reaffirm why the series is terrible. People want anti-heroes. They want brains. In this day and age, people want something more akin to The Boys (minus the raging lowbrow humor) or the Punisher, not this.

...which absolutely explains why the MCU (which, whatever else you may want to say about it, definitely knows that it's telling stories about heroes) is kicking the Snyderverse's ass up and down the street at the box office? Snyder put two of the most recognized brands in comics together in one movie title, and still came away with barely more money than Guardians of the Galaxy, a movie about a bunch of Marvel D-listers with no name draw at all.

The one disconnected from the pop culture zeitgeist is you, my friend.

Except I made it a point to say those movies are terrible because they did in such a way where it was utterly oppressive. This isn't light vs. dark, it's intelligence vs stupidity. It's taking a good premise vs. teaching a bad moral.

MHA is the only story, the only one to set me off like this. I prefer Flash to Arrow by a country mile at this point, most of Marvel's films have been great, with the occasional hiccup, and I would rather see the film of Huck get off the ground than watch Preacher. It's this series, this freaking series, that does it completely wrong.

Except I made it a point to say those movies are terrible because they did in such a way where it was utterly oppressive. This isn't light vs. dark, it's intelligence vs stupidity. It's taking a good premise vs. teaching a bad moral.

MHA is the only story, the only one to set me off like this. I prefer Flash to Arrow by a country mile at this point, most of Marvel's films have been great, with the occasional hiccup, and I would rather see the film of Huck get off the ground than watch Preacher. It's this series, this freaking series, that does it completely wrong.

Harley is basically Deadpool now. Why not.

Every single comic i listed is "in-continuity" and some are even faces of billion dollar companies.
The creator of the Muslim Miss Marvel got to meet Obama due to her achievements! Will Abe meet the creator of MHA? Let´s not get me riled up on how big female (and arguably LGBT) superheroes finally became in the 2010s.

@Beatdigga I am one of these "stupid" people . Garth Ennis is one of the best writer of all-time first of all. AMC´s Preacher and CW´s Riverdale + The Flash can co-exist just fine, or are you anti-choice?
Cinema-cut BvS (8,5/10) was further so good i nearly cried multiple times (Snyder basically adapted all my 80s/90s childhood comic dreams 1 to 1) and i expect the final-cut to be one of the best adaptations of all time. Just as his Ultimate Watchmen!
The even darker X-men Apocalypse (9,5/10) is the best film released this year, or in years, and Cap3 (7/10) was a soul-less toy commercial with a laughable script and the worst MCU villains yet. Poor Crossbones...

"Prestigious" Germany newspapers, as Die Sueddeutsche, are calling X-men Apocalypse and BvS the reason why the genre will be dead in 10 years. Urgh. Not on my watch!
WB / Fox (let´s quietly forget FF) are giving us the adaptations Disney´s film department never will (poor Iron-man...) by taking risks and Apocalypse even has a (surprisingly good) female protagonist with Mystic. Support these films with your money and word of mouth (unless you actually disagree, based on viewing these films!) or don´t be surprised if the genre will be creatively bankrupt in 10 years. Bambi 2 anyone?

Yeah, I read that, which is why I said you were changing the goal here. You went from talking about kids with no talent to talking about kids who just doesn't put any effort in, as if these two things were in any way similar. Besides, that example was horseshit the first time you said it so I didn't particularly feel like dignifying it, but here goes.

For someone who apparently likes to criticize this show for being too naive and optimistic, you sure seem to have a very naive idea of crime works. You said before that this hypothetical kid with a pre-existing quirk could possibly be so great with One for All that he/she could eradicate crime altogether, which is a laughable idea. No hero, no matter how powerful, can solve all of society's problems. The article already mentions this and the show takes a very clear stance on it as well. Having more power doesn't make you a better hero, because a hero's primary purpose is to inspire, to perform acts of true altruism, not to beat up bad guys. That is why All Might puts on a smile and makes a big deal about his role as "the symbol of peace". That is why Kacchan is very clearly not the better hero in this show despite being a much better fighter. All Might didn't chose Midoriya because of some sense of pity or to make himself feel good. He chose him because he showed the greatest characteristics a hero needs, which is a genuine desire to do good and help people, even at great personal cost. Results are not the only thing that matters here (or rather, beating up villains are not the only desired result), and even if they were it wouldn't matter because Izuku is far from talentless. He is also smart and dedicated enough to make good use of the power he is given, and there is no guarantee that a kid with a quirk would have that kind of skill either. If you think that someone with a handicap will always be lesser at doing something than those without a handicap, then you live in a (terrible) fantasy world.

To carry this into the real-world example, knowing that a kid has a disability tells us nothing about how smart or talented that kid really is, and it certainly doesn't tell us how far they will be able to go in society. It just means that they have a different set of circumstances that need to be taken into account for them to grow like everyone else. You keep saying that it is wasted effort to give these kids extra help because it is just going to help them be mediocre when you could be helping the gifted kids be exceptional, but that isn't how these things work. These kids aren't broken cars that need to be dragged every inch of the way just to get half as far as the already "functioning" cars. They are perfectly functional cars that happens to have a roadblock in their way. If given the right support to deal with that they are perfectly capable of driving on the same road and going just as far as everyone else.

But when a kid is trying his hardest to do sometime and constantly fail and shows no promise (ie kid study like crazy for science test, still get an F), especially due to some inherent physical attribute he has/lack, I think its the job of adult to help him face reality.

The problem is that the shows says that, but it does not practice what it preaches. Midori always end up using his quirk to save the day, the show action speaks for themselves, talent (quirk) trump hard work (Midori solving problem without resorting to quirk). If Midori didn't get this power, no matter how much heroic spirit he had, he would not have become a hero.

Alright so first, I literally started talking about kid who try hard and get nowhere, here's what I said:

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But when a kid is trying his hardest to do sometime and constantly fail and shows no promise (ie kid study like crazy for science test, still get an F), especially due to some inherent physical attribute he has/lack, I think its the job of adult to help him face reality.

My position has been extremely consistent on this issue,

I'm at the end of the process and I see the kid that show up late and un-prepared and later come up to me and wonder why there bare minimum work didn't get them an A+ and how come there not gonna be able to get into med school. These are kids that were never challenged in there schooling career and now that all the low achiever have been cut off they just can't keep up because they never learned simple stuff like, "come prepared" and "expect to have to work hard".

results matters, intend do not. Everyone will always choose the surgeon with good track record and crappy attitude over the surge with good attitude but a long list dead body. Talent or hard work does not matter, results does no matter how they're achieved.

You ask for an example of how this can be applied to the show I provided one, you then moved the goalpost, has you loved saying from "example of effort being put toward kid with low potential being wasted" to deriding my example because it does not literally solve every single crime in the world (has if giving Mirdori all might power did).

My example is simple, by giving all might power to an individual who can best use it you'll get far better results than this hero (without all might power) and Midori with all might power will do.

You also have to remember there's literally 5.6 billions individual with quirk out there in the shows world, odds are overwhelming that you can find a hero with a power that compliment all might power AND has a great attitude.

This is just like a teacher (all might) putting all his effort on the kid with the worst potential (Midori) which in turn means he can't apply his effort toward the kid with the best potential (hero with quirk that compliment all might power).

If you really care about "the symbol of peace" well a hero who can just teleport (or clone himself, or fly) anywhere AND has an extremely powerful ability to save people once there will be a much stronger symbol than Midori ever will even with all might power.

Also talking about example that don't work, you car example makes no sense and change half way trough. You start talking about kid with disability and then compare them to car, you then claim that they are perfectly functioning car, literally the opposite of what "disable" means.

But to continue with your car/roadblock analogy. Everyone has roadblock, from the most gifted child to the most unfortunate one, but you only have limited ability to remove them, let say you can remove 100 roadblock. You have 11 student, 1 of them has 200 roadblock on there road, while 10 of them only have 10 roadblock, which roadblock do you remove?

But to bring this all back to the beginning as this has being dragging on and getting off track, I recognize that MHA want to be about heroic spirit being the most important things and I have 0 problem with that. The problem is that the shows says that, but it does not practice what it preaches. Midori always end up using his quirk to save the day, the show action speaks for themselves, talent (quirk) trump hard work (Midori solving problem without resorting to quirk).

If Midori didn't get this power, no matter how much heroic spirit he had, he would not have become a hero.