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nemuyoake
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You know, we let poor students have a baito when they need it. We're not monsters. Even if the student doesn't have a very good behavior, we are very aware that his/her family counts on his/her pay to survive.
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genkisakurachan
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Though by and large this is true, there are always exceptions. A high school I taught at as an assistant English teacher definitely had no problem with the students having after-school jobs. I even remember a teacher telling me that two of the senior girls were working at the McDonalds in the big AEON shopping center a few blocks from the school and that I should go visit them sometime, so the faculty sure knew about it and approved of it.
This may have been a more laid-back school than most, considering other things like how they also had a uniform-optional policy, for example. Easily 90% of the students did choose to dress in the uniform, but most classes had a student or two in street clothes (plus lots of kids wearing non-regulation sweaters or lap blankets). |
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Jose Cruz
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In Brazil nobody I studied with worked in part time jobs. The reason was that most people that I knew were from middle and upper class families so given the super low wages they get for unskilled labor in Brazil nobody would want to work for these jobs. So my impression was the inverse since its common in many series and manga for the characters to work part time, for instance in Mob Psycho 100 or in Kobato, the last 2 series I was wafching, in both cases I saw examples of students working part time.
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Clyde_Cash
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Why this difference? There should only be one single, unified, global standard. These schools have no right to dictate what students do outside of school. NONE! How and why do Japanese people put up with this authoritarian crap? HOW? They're not supposed to! |
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loka
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"Culture differences" is a non-answer. There was logic behind the rule. The questioner was asking for that reasoning. Not conjecture, either. |
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TarsTarkas
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Most nations on this Earth, have their own culture and traditions. The world would be a boring place, if there was one single, unified, global standard. In answer to your question though, the answer is quite easy. They were raised that way. And as I said before, I sure the Japanese don't think too highly of the America school system too. |
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Afezeria
 Posts: 817 Location: Malaysia, Kuantan. |
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Joe Mello
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Confucian ideals, for one. The teacher-student relationship is just a variant of boss-employee, parent-child, sempai-kouhai and any other situation where one has a higher rank over the other. You do as you are told and deliberately refusing to do so brings both shame to the individual and the group, and in countries like Japan where the group is far more important you can restrict extracurricular behavior successfully. All those stories of overworked employees and mandatory drinking parties don't happen for no reason. /Yugioh did the baito dilemma best, I think |
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leafy sea dragon
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I think that statement was sarcastic. I don't know if it's the same Clyde Cash who messed with the Sonichu author relentlessly, or just named after him, but the name should give a baseline once you know who he is.
It sounds like such a fragile system. All it takes are several people within a group who want to bring shame upon the group with no concern for the shame upon themselves and the whole thing will collapse. I feel that is the case with American schools: They all have enough Calvins and Bart Simpsons in them that school administrators must work around them rather than through them. (Well, that and we have many choice words in English, some of them vulgar, to describe obedient people.) I mentioned it earlier, but I'm guessing Japanese delinquents purposely dress in their school uniforms, only modified in some way, to mock them. |
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mangamuscle
Posts: 2658 Location: Mexico |
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That is the tricky part, from what I have seen in animes, unless you are a special case, most people must pay for the consequence of their actions. In example, in last year Lostorage incited WIXOSS, Chinatsu had a fight in school and since she landed the first (physcial) blow she had to apologize, but she did not and her homeroom teacher pressured her boss to fire her from her part time job knowing beforehand that Chinatsu would not be able to continue to pay for school without that income (and transfering schools would no doubt hurt her chances of going to a good college). This events of course are fiction, but I think it is rooted on what most people in japan know about how their society works. |
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leafy sea dragon
Posts: 7163 Location: Another Kingdom |
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If they don't have a job though, then the most the school can do is suspend or expel them, maybe shame their families, which is exactly what these delinquents would want anyway. It causes a real conundrum on behalf of the people in charge: The system assumes people don't want to be shamed. But how does it deal with people who want to bring shame to the system while happily accepting all the shame given to themselves? This is a question my school district has grappled with ever since I was in school, and to this day, they still don't have a good answer.
The miscreants I've known when I was a teenager who did have jobs kept their work lives far, far away from their school lives, but that's because they're scared that another miscreant they know will see them at work because they're trying to make an honest living. I guess they get shamed by totally different things. |
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mangamuscle
Posts: 2658 Location: Mexico |
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Here I think is the root of the difference, you talk nonchalantly about suspension or expulsion, since I am sure in the USA most employers only care about what high school or college you got your diploma and what were your grades. Unless you got into something criminal most employers simply do not care about those kind of things "boys will be boys" they will say about any such things. In japan it is quite different from what I understand, but sadly the only non-fiction comment is tangentially related. My japanese teacher (a japanese woman) said that in japan many couples do not divorce because that would affect the chances their kids have to get into a good elementary, middle, high school and college. Once all their kids get into a stable work enviroment they can't divorce since that would affect their chances of getting a promotion inside the company. So couple end up divorcing when their "kids" have moved up in the company ranks (say, if their kids are in their 40s they are in their 60s) which imo is way sad since at that age they should be supporting each other in ther "golden years". Of course this might have changed a little nowadays that people do not have a 100% chance of working for life in one company, but chances are any new company might not hire people that were suspended or expelled, even if that happened in elementary school. IMO that is why in japan people in japan hide their secrets zealously, because the consequences can quite real. |
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TarsTarkas
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You did not do your quotes right. I wasn't the one that made the above statement. |
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Afezeria
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belvadeer
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I remember back when I was going to high school in the 90s, students who were sixteen years of age were only allowed to work a part-time job after school if they had applied for a work permit so the workplace and the high school know that that student was obligating themselves to both. It's too bad Japan can't do the same or allow it on similar grounds.
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