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What We Know About the Funimation-Crunchyroll Merger


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BigOnAnime
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 1:38 am Reply with quote
Something I'm now wondering, with the FUNimation brand being phased out in favor of Crunchyroll, what's going to happen to the hundreds of in-print releases? When they get reprinted, are they going to replace the FUNimation logo with the Crunchyroll one, or are they going to have to re-release everything, possibly under a new UPC prefix? All FUNimation releases start with 704400.
Zalis116 wrote:
So pretty much anything post ~2016 (i.e. the "broadcast dub era") where Funi has the TV / simulcast versions on their site is only being added in that incarnation to CR. There's no technical reason they can't add uncensored versions as an option on CR, as seen with Senran Kagura Shinovi Master, Terraformars, and My Wife is the Student Council President. And if it's all the same company, there shouldn't be any rights issues; if Funi is allowed to stream uncut/home-video versions on FunimationNow, they should be able to do so on CR. Clearly, someone's making deliberate decisions not to add home-video versions to CR, whether it's someone in the Funi/CR/Sony ecosystem, or pressure from the Japanese side looking to make home-video versions exclusive to physical home-media releases. Maybe there's a worrisome "reverse-importation" issue with Japanese fans using VPNs to access uncut anime that would otherwise be Blu-Ray-only in Japan?
Yet HIDIVE is able to offer home video versions of most titles. Though HIDIVE is subscription-only unlike Crunchyroll and FUNimationNow (though weren't uncut versions subscriber-only usually?).
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I'd concur that keeping Funimation as a publisher on physical media would make more sense, but let's hope the releases continue in some form or another. Especially since CR's track record in that department isn't the greatest, as we've seen releases like Kantai Collection be just a dump of the TV-broadcast version (without translated songs) onto Blu-Ray.
Kantai Collection used the broadcast masters? Great... Another for the list. Did anything else do that? That's rather worrying.
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Hopefully, we should see most of the popular and desirable Funimation titles transferred to CR. I'd imagine most of the older/obscure Funi shows from the 2000s and early 2010s were on the way out anyway, both in terms of the licenses and their relevancy/appeal to modern anime viewers. Is anyone going to lament Save Me! Lollipop falling out of availability?
I'd lament it, but that would be because I'm among the increasing minority of anime fans who will regularly watch stuff made before 2010 instead of just the newest and most popular stuff. I also generally prefer older anime. It's a bit depressing seeing many older shows go even though I understand the financial reasons as to why. Like it seems Sentai's license to both Someday's Dreamers series expired, they left HIDIVE last month (and I had 6 episodes left of the second series...) and all of Sentai's DVDs are OOP. RightStuf is also having all their DVDs go OOP regardless of if there's a Blu-ray equivalent, and FUNimation is seemingly doing the same except for the evergreens. Discotek is the only one where you don't know if they'll keep their DVDs in-print. They're currently having the DVDs for stuff with Blu-ray counterparts go OOP. I asked repeatedly on their last livestream panel if they were going to keep DVD-only stuff in-print, but they never saw the question.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 2:37 am Reply with quote
End of an era. I would thought they would keep Funimation branding in some way, at least for home releases. I think its a waste to lose it. But if they feel Crunchyroll brand can do it all, I guess its the way to go.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 4:10 am Reply with quote
One thing I'm wondering about that hasn't been brought up yet is what's going to happen to Aniplex USA? With Funimation's branding apparently going to be phase out eventually and everything moving under Crunchyroll's branding, will all Aniplex titles be distributed by Crunchyroll in physical releases without the expensive pricing or boutique features or will Aniplex USA continue to operate separately and release all the titles under Aniplex Japan?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 4:52 am Reply with quote
I wonder what this means for those with annual subscriptions to Funimation (be it Funimation native subs or those of us who got dragged over from AnimeLab), and still have a sizeable amount of their annual subscriptions to run. I for one am in this boat and have an existing annual subscription to Crunchyroll as well. I won't be happy if a cent of my annual AnimeLab/Funimation subscription just disappears into the ether with nothing to show for it.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:26 am Reply with quote
ValkyrieZeroZeroOne wrote:
I wonder what this means for those with annual subscriptions to Funimation (be it Funimation native subs or those of us who got dragged over from AnimeLab), and still have a sizeable amount of their annual subscriptions to run. I for one am in this boat and have an existing annual subscription to Crunchyroll as well. I won't be happy if a cent of my annual AnimeLab/Funimation subscription just disappears into the ether with nothing to show for it.

The article does mention contacting support to see if you can get your time transferred.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:19 am Reply with quote
If they are going to essentially end Funimation as we knew it/them, then transferring as many of the uncensored versions of shows streaming on FuniNow would be a way to properly do that. Now, if it is a show that Funi is streaming that for whatever reasons Funi doesn't have the rights to the uncensored versions for, understandable.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 12:45 pm Reply with quote
Asrialys wrote:

The article does mention contacting support to see if you can get your time transferred.
I've tried contacting Funimiation about my annual subscription and then they just stopped responding to me for several days now.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 3:04 pm Reply with quote
Strange. To me, Funimation is the premium brand since they've done theatrical releases... Why give up this image? Well maybe I'm the only one who thinks that way
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:15 pm Reply with quote
The mere fact that Sony is still figuring out how to merge both services into one talks about how presumptive, unprepared and how dumb this decision ia. I like the statement that no one is getting laid off my but the funimation translators are no longer getting work because of a higher wage. This entire merger is dumb. Im pretty sure this whole logistic nightmare and layoff is just because Sony want to flex they have the biggest anime catalog. So I can only imagine a bares member waking up and thinking, “You know what would be dope and subscribers would be flocking to sign up if we marketed Crunchyroll as the service with biggest anime catalog in the world”. They gotta figure out the whole dubbing situation between Texas and La, figure out how to implement funimation services into crunchyroll terrible interface for dubs, figure out how to implement funimation digital compied
Into crunchyroll, figure out the warehouse logistics between both store fronts. Whoever made this decision was dumb. They had like two years since the proposal to set out a plan for a merger and the best they got is we will figure it out. But that’s management and corporate. I would have probably just started by separating the dubs and dubs between funimation and crunchyroll, figure out the logistics between dubbing studios and voice actors contracts, then work on having identical interfaces between crunchyroll and funimation, while figure out the logistics on how distribution and manufacturing would work for both store fronts. Once funimation and crunchyroll interface and GUI has been streamlined to look identical, store fronts has been merge to one entity, and dubbing contract and translation have been taken care then merging and porting content would be a lot easier as both services would look identical snd
Not having to tell customer “ idk bro we will Figure out”
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:20 pm Reply with quote
Arbalisk wrote:
The mere fact that Sony is still figuring out how to merge both services into one talks about how presumptive, unprepared and how dumb this decision ia. I like the statement that no one is getting laid off my but the funimation translators are no longer getting work because of a higher wage. This entire merger is dumb. Im pretty sure this whole logistic nightmare and layoff is just because Sony want to flex they have the biggest anime catalog. So I can only imagine a bares member waking up and thinking, “You know what would be dope and subscribers would be flocking to sign up if we marketed Crunchyroll as the service with biggest anime catalog in the world”.
This situation is a mess but you have to remember we're also in this situation because Warner Bros and AT&T sold off Crunchyroll and they were struggling to keep up with Funimation and Sony licensing everything.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:59 am Reply with quote
BigOnAnime wrote:
Really not liking how corporate everything feels.


I would advise you to avoid larger anime conventions at all costs. When certain companies are given free and/or premium booth space simply because the convention believes that those companies draw attendees, any chance at having a fun event catering to anime fan attendees has been lost.

I am not going to miss that large Funimation booth that was at every convention. Nothing of value was lost.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:42 am Reply with quote
ValkyrieZeroZeroOne wrote:
I wonder what this means for those with annual subscriptions to Funimation (be it Funimation native subs or those of us who got dragged over from AnimeLab), and still have a sizeable amount of their annual subscriptions to run. I for one am in this boat and have an existing annual subscription to Crunchyroll as well. I won't be happy if a cent of my annual AnimeLab/Funimation subscription just disappears into the ether with nothing to show for it.

Contact Funi's customer support about it. I still have 10 months left on my subscription and messaged on March 1st, and was told to provide both my Funi email and CR email and they'd manually add those extra months onto my CR subscription. I was told on the 3rd that their "escalation specialist" (I don't think that's a real thing?) would finish up and contact me shortly. That was the last I heard from them, and my CR subscription is still only showing those initial two months so who knows how long it'll be.

I know they must be getting slammed with questions and subscription requests, but I also feel like they should have known this was coming and done a better job of planning how to transition their users who already paid them in advance. The fact that we have to be the ones to reach out to them first, instead of them just automatically granting us those extended CR subscriptions by default, is kinda ridiculous.

It does sting that we're losing Funimation as a brand when it's been a constant presence since practically the beginning of the US anime industry. I mean yeah, technically it's still the same company just with a different name, but it still seems weird to see them ditch the name after such a long history with it.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:43 am Reply with quote
Lord Geo wrote:
While it sucked that Geneon & Bandai Entertainment were both closed down by their owners, it can at least be argued that the decision was made because neither were no longer "cutting the mustard"

Well, Geneon itself was previously well known and established as Pioneer before deciding to rebrand. In this case while being younger Crunchyroll is well known name and a brand worth more than Funimation at time of acquisition I believe.

Top Gun wrote:
So completely killing off a decades-old physical media brand in favor of a brand that up until now has no presence in that space? That is incredibly stupid.

It’s not true that they have no presence as even before the merger they held many home video licenses and over the years have entered into a few different partnerships to distribute them, from Shinkai DVDs with Bandai to cobranded discs with Funimation like Re:Zero.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:21 pm Reply with quote
Please God, no closed caption subtitles. I'm begging you, crunchyroll. They're always tougher to read and awkwardly timed.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:52 pm Reply with quote
I know a lot of people don’t love how Crunchyroll posted the dub version as a separate “season”, but I love it because it keeps track of what I’ve watched that way.

For instance, at one point I was watching the Golden Kamuy sub with my brother, and the dub with a friend. It was so hard to keep track of where I was with each version on Funimation because they don’t differentiate between the two.

But Crunchyroll’s lack of closed captions for dub versions is criminal. My friend is very hard of hearing so we don’t ever try to watch Crunchyroll dubs together. I’m glad they say they’ll address that, moving forward.

But please, god, don’t let them take the Netflix road where the dub version—which has a completely different script from the sub version—simply runs the original subtitles along with the dub track so the “closed captions” absolutely don’t match the spoken dialog. Which should also be illegal. Maybe you can get away with that for completely deaf watchers (but shame on you), but it just makes following the story even more difficult for the hearing impaired and those who need closed captions for other reasons.
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