Forum - View topicNEWS: 3rd Man Sentenced for Anime Sharing with Share Program
|
Goto page Previous 1, 2, 3, 4 Note: this is the discussion thread for this article |
| Author | Message | |||||||||||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Moomintroll
 Posts: 1600 Location: Nottingham (UK) |
|
|||||||||||||||||||||
White subs with a black border are standard in Europe, yellow subs are standard in the US. I could be wrong about this but I seem to remember hearing that the reason for the different choices was something to do with the difference in picture quality between PAL (Europe) and NTSC (US) - in other words, those nice European white on black subs just don't look nearly so clear through NTSC equipment.
I was slightly put off the first time I encountered yellow subs on an American import but I find I never notice them within a few minutes of a show starting. So long as the subs are presented in a clear font of a reasonable size and in a colour that makes them easily readable, I don't see what your problem is.
All things I find enormously annoying and amateurish. If people watching subbed foreign movies don't need such things (and they don't), why on Earth would people watching subbed anime?
In most cases, very little (if any) of that merchandise / music / manga money will ever find its way back to the studio that made the anime because in most cases the studio doesn't own the original intellectual property and / or signed away the merchandising rights in order to get the show funded in the first place. You may be supporting the Japanese pop culture economy in general but you're not supporting the anime industry in particular. |
||||||||||||||||||||||
|
||||||||||||||||||||||
CCSYueh
 Posts: 2707 Location: San Diego, CA |
|
|||||||||||||||||||||
|
Jeez.
I never even notice the color of the words I'm reading on the screen. I do like it when they are smart enough to use different colors when 2 people are talking at the same time or they're also translating the music lyrics. I'm usually too busy mentally comparing the English dialogue to the subtitles of the Japanese track (& actually they are pretty close. Some weird differences here & there like days of the week or numbers but usually nothing like the old days of Generator Gawl which seemed to have 2 totally different stories going on. Or Kimera changing the character's gender) |
||||||||||||||||||||||
|
||||||||||||||||||||||
daxomni
 Posts: 2650 Location: Somewhere else. |
|
|||||||||||||||||||||
LOL! I find your continued confusion of greed and laziness with bravery and brotherhood absolutely hilarious. Please show us your own inner bravery by joining them in Japanese court. 
|
||||||||||||||||||||||
|
||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Kireek
Posts: 274 |
|
|||||||||||||||||||||
|
So me hiding behind a keyboard uploading illegal files makes me as brave as soldiers in WW2..........interesting.
|
||||||||||||||||||||||
|
||||||||||||||||||||||
Sariachan
 Posts: 1494 Location: Italy |
|
|||||||||||||||||||||
I don't care about the standard, I search what I like. 
I have official Italian manga releases with errors, if I can stand them I can stand errors in fan mande works, too, fans who make the job for free, and I still compensate the original creator(s) buying, if not the product itself, related products at least. What some people here don't seem to understand, is that without fansubs and scanlations I,and many others, wouldn't buy these related products at all. Ergo (I hope you can understand a bit Latin), fan made distribution of manga and anime can be a good thing for the industry, or part of it.
I wonder why you laugh at the end of your every sentence. Anyway, all I know is that you don't even need the story to really start to understand if you like an anime. I've a bit of experience (like, more than 200 complete series/movies watched), I should know.
I believe internet TV is the future. I never used IIRC so I don't know what you're talking about. Could you explain further?
You decided it? In my case, it's something related to my job; anyway, being interested in other cultures and their stories, legends and folklore can be a better way of life than many other that are more accepted by the masses. Seeing movies, music, novels and comics, to name few examples, as only entertainment is a limitation, and an understatement of what they really are (or, at least, some of them are).
Well, then I feel bad for US citizens.
Are you trying to say that all people have to think the same way as you?
I like detailed subtitles for anything I watch, not only Japanese shows. The only difference is that some languages I understand, more or less, so I can read the signs, for examnple, by myself. But I can't make it for anime, yet.
One more reason for Japanese companies to start including English subtitles in JP DVDs, at least, or adopt any other solution to start releasing their products directly to their not-Japanese fans, and not only waiting for some foreign company to buy licences and do this service instead of them.
Do you realize that there are many people who watch drama from Japan, Korea, Honk-Kong, China and other eastern Countries? Do you realize that there are some people who don't live in the States yet are watching Avatar or other shows still not licensed in their Countries? Do you realize that this is possibile thanks to people who put these shows on internet? Do you realize that the fact that you can't normally see what is aired elsewhere is only a stupid and old limitation of how TV channels industry works? The world is going on in a different direction, mostly thanks to internet and fans, and I love the fact that I can watch products of other Countries and learn, at least a little, about their culture, just like I can learn it thanks to books (whose market is much more efficient). It isn't a matter of seeing these things for free, but more the freedom of seeing them in the best possible way for our own tastes: we can choose which is the best version, we can choose where to spend our money, we can choose who deserves them and who not.
No, but it would make you a better person than who joins the Army just for money or, even worse, for ignorance. Or maybe it's worst when someone joins for money... I'm still undecided. |
||||||||||||||||||||||
|
||||||||||||||||||||||
|
krelyan
Posts: 173 Location: Utah |
|
|||||||||||||||||||||
Right, because one shouldn't expect compensation for their work. How's it different than any other job one takes "just for the money?" |
||||||||||||||||||||||
|
||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Kireek
Posts: 274 |
|
|||||||||||||||||||||
|
And yes I was being sarcastic
|
||||||||||||||||||||||
|
||||||||||||||||||||||
enurtsol
 Posts: 14787 |
|
|||||||||||||||||||||
I'm sorry, IIRC just means If I Remeber Correctly (as opposed to IRC = Internet Relay Chat). |
||||||||||||||||||||||
|
||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Xanas
Posts: 2058 |
|
|||||||||||||||||||||
"Need" is where you lost me. They aren't necessary, but they are cool, and if you don't find them annoying but visually interesting then it is a good thing. I also very very much like having both the Romaji and English lyrics of the song at the same time, even if it doesn't have Karoake styling, and this is rare in the official dvds. Need has nothing to do with it. But it is neat.. I'll agree that it'd be even better if you could toggle it on/off, because I occasionally like a clean opening. But if DVDs had Karoake you'd have the clean opening as part of the DVD same as now. The other word you lost me on was "amateurish." It jumps to the conclusion that the creators are stupid somehow because they choose to do something unique. Even if you don't like it, the fact most do prefer it shows it does add value for them. Contrary to being amateur, I think it's trumping the professionals in terms of exceeding expectations of the audience. The fact is the styling takes a lot work and effort that I don't see put in by official companies. Their translations may be better (though this is definitely arguable on both sides), but one cannot say they spend more time on the actual subtitle placement, styling, etc. They use the same conventions every time (which some prefer, and others like me do not). |
||||||||||||||||||||||
|
||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Moomintroll
Posts: 1600 Location: Nottingham (UK) |
|
|||||||||||||||||||||
Q: Have you ever visited a film forum and found people insisting that they are entitled to download foreign live-action movies on the basis that the R1 DVDs weren't released with subs featuring multi-coloured, dancing text in wacky fonts? Or karaoke effects whenever a song plays? Or translations of insignificant on-screen non-English text? Or constant "cultural notes"? I'm guessing the answer is "no". Seriously, go look on IMDB and see if any of your fellow Americans are up in arms because the Ingmar Bergman or Chan-wook Park DVD they just bought didn't have expanding fonts, karaoke effects or notes laid over the screen at every possible juncture. Q: Have you ever seen some anime fans (including the one I was responding to) make the same claim? I already know that the answer is "yes". Now you and I might know that those people don't really "need" that stuff (whether or not they've come to enjoy them) but the fact is that those people claim they "need" those things before they'd be willing to consider buying the same product from a legal source. It wasn't a complex point I was making.
Er, no. It's amateurish because it's something that professionals don't do. And there are, of course, good reasons why most of these things aren't done by professionals.
Nonsense. The audience didn't turn to fansubs because of the bells and whistles - they turned to fansubs because of convenience and / or availability and / or cost. The bells and whistles are frivolous window dressing that some fansub watchers are now adopting as a defence against accusations of freeloading. If the professionals did the same thing, do you honestly think sales would rise to any appreciable extent?
Choosing a font and a colour from a dropdown menu is not a lot of work. And given how quickly we're always being told fansub groups can put out a new show, I'm guessing the rest of it isn't all that difficult either. In any case, "hard work" has never been synonymous with "high quality" or "professional finished product". I worked bloody hard putting down new kitchen tiles a few months back but I'm pretty sure a professional would have done a better job with less effort... [PS. There was a thread on the anime board a while back about a Youtube documentary on the quality of fansubs that somebody had made that covered most of these points - and more - in greater detail. If you haven't already seen it, you may find it interesting.] |
||||||||||||||||||||||
|
||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Xanas
Posts: 2058 |
|
|||||||||||||||||||||
|
Moomintroll, it's not as simple as a dropdown selection, though it's not the more difficult aspect. I was referring to the Karoake part, which isn't something that is as easy as you are making out. As for quality, the quality is usually quite good for something online, certainly comparable to anything I've seen the industry put out that has a similar filesize.
I'm not saying people shouldn't buy dvds because they do not offer these things, but I am saying I would prefer that the dvds did offer these things. I encode my own dvds. I know what encoding entails and while I'd hardly call it rocket science even when you have the subs/etc. presented putting it all together is work. If you don't have the subs in the first place, then you'd have to do timing/etc. (something I don't have to worry about since tccat/subtitle2vobsub do it for me). Again, it's not something that is extremely difficult, but to make it sound like no work at all is equally false. Keep in mind we are paying the R1 industry to do even less, so if you shun fansubs too much you bring into question what R1 is really doing for those who don't watch dubs. I'm also not arguing that sales would rise in the extreme should DVDs adopt karoake/etc. I am saying that as a consumer I personally would appreciate it if they did. As it stands now I keep around the fansub versions because I do appreciate the karoake, and provided that the release is soft-subbed, I've considered trying to apply the fansubs to official releases (I don't really like the vobsubs that come on dvds nearly as much as the stylized "wacky font" .ass/srt format)
I'll look out for it, but honestly there are groups out there of varying quality. If the documentary goes into specific detail on how the karoake is done/etc. I'm very interested, but I kind of doubt that. I've looked around for details on it because I'd honestly like to do the same things with my personal backups/encodes, but there is no way I think that's very little work to do. |
||||||||||||||||||||||
|
||||||||||||||||||||||
Watashi wa Ryuzaki
 Posts: 184 Location: Florida, USA |
|
|||||||||||||||||||||
You say this, yet you procede to wink at the end of most of your sentences.
Yes, but entertainment in forms of movies, music, and comics are meant to be just that, entertainment. One is supposed to limit themelves from crossing thatn point in which one will begin to look for second meanings in every aspect of the film, music, comics, etc.
Yes, go ahead and feel sorry for the most powerful nation in the world. Yeah, nice try at being witty.
Who died and made you the king of morales ? People join the army every single day for financial issues. Many don't have the money to go to college, and will consider joining the army as a viable option for tuition. You have no right to degrade those individuals. Those who defend the U.S with thier lives on the line don't deserve to earn a little cash in the process ? Also, joining for ignorance. How does that even add up ? Do you think that everyone in America who joins the army is completly unaware of what they are getting themselves into ? It's not like they are tricked into it. |
||||||||||||||||||||||
|
||||||||||||||||||||||
 |
All times are GMT - 5 Hours |
|
|
|
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group