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Key
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So the unequivocal consensus here is that I should stick to using male/female pronouns to refer to body-swapped characters based on the gender of their "spirit" rather than the gender of their physical bodies?
Fair enough; I will do that going forward. I was very uncertain how to handle this anyway, so this gives me a good guideline. And it didn't even occur to me that I was being inconsistent with my classification in this review. And for those getting up in arms over this, do keep in mind that how to refer to transgendered people is a very perplexing issue for many of us who aren't that way and don't regularly associate with people who are. Now, let's do try to keep the thread on-topic. Discussing why I used what pronouns I did in the review, and how that mirrors transgender identity (which may or may not have been an intended point to the show) is fine, but you're straying if you try to spin this off entirely into a discussion on transgender issues. Oh, and PinKunoichi: Speaking as a Moderator, when you start referring to other forum posters as "ignorant" then you're out of line. I don't care what the context is. |
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chex mix
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I'm just happy no one in this thread has started throwing around the word "trap."
Because I have high standards for the anime community. Jesus. But yeah, Theron, refer to someone by the gender they identify with. Because manners. Also because it's confusing as hell in your reviews when you switch pronouns all over the place. 
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Key
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Using "trap" in that sense has been banned in forums and reviews. (And yes, this is a relatively recent development; within the past 2-3 months, IIRC.)
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Nyaomix
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Seems people got on the topic of the pronouns already. In the case of Teraoka (Guriko) since nothing has yet been said it`s a simple case of defining by appearance and attitude. Whether Teraoka`s desire, or not, he is very used to his current situation.
Nice thing about Japanese is that there is a need to over talk to be gender specific. And, while people see a lot of issues with how trans issues are treated in anime, I`ve seen plenty of good examples. Not to mention that many issues come up when subtitlers pick a gender for a character (there are times when a character is never referred to by gender in a show and the subber needs a pronoun for English). It`s not as bad as it may seem. Every form of media has a lot of bad portrayals. How does Teraoka keep secrets from someone who is dead? He shouldn`t even know when the leader is nearby unless he is posessing someone. I`m guessing that ghost Yuta will be posessing Rabura as part of Justice Punch. |
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chex mix
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Wow, that alone earns a +20 for civilized behavior, and a sincere thanks to everyone involved in that decision. So I've been wondering, another detail that hasn't come up yet is the cat porn from the first few episodes, when Yuuta accuses Chiranosuke of showing it to him on purpose... at the time, when the show seemed like it was going to be fanservice fluff, cat porn and boob jello didn't seem weird, but now? Totally weird. The cat hasn't done anything pervy since then. Was he just trying to set Yuuta's Uber senses off a few times to show him how to rewind time after the asteroid crashed? Or was there an actual point to it? What other loose ends are there? Can we get a list going? Rabura's childhood possession, why Yuuta can only Uberfy when he sees panties while Mikatan can do it at will (or maybe this one is just me), why Chiranosuke won't let Yuuta change certain things like the intercept box on the satellite dish... do any of those things stick out to anyone else? Or what about the ultimate purpose of Ito to the collective Justice Punch, other than to have Muhi as a pet (and to be best girl)? Some of this stuff is definitely going to be end-of-the-final-episodes wrap-up, but I bet we'll get Rabura's possession next week, and maybe Ito. What other stuff is there? Small details (like the cinnamon, or Yuuta's missing day) or big end-game questions, whatevs. I want to see how tightly they wrap it all up. |
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HaruhiToy
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I am not convinced. If you search around the Internet for a while, there is a whole demographic devoted to not only fetishizing over that archetype as desirable, but others focused on being that archetype. It is apparent that some percentage of transgender individuals have taken umbrage at the term but from the sidelines I still see it in common use and not as a pejorative. But whatever. I play by the rules and if ANN wants to practice misguided PC I'm not going to complain about it. |
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Nyaomix
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When you`re talking the fetishization that`s a whole different story. Porn and cultural norms don`t tend to mix. Being a fan of the gender bend fetish and an intersex individual I don`t see them as overlapping that much despite it being the same topic.
It is indeed a plus for this site`s community that they don`t accept that phrase. In a community such as this all you`re doing is sexualizing a situation that isn`t supposed to be sexualized. Most LGBT issues stem from people`s insistence to sexualize every part of our lives. |
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chex mix
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Fetishization is a different discussion than hate speech. Allowing people to use pejorative terms like that just means you're tacitly allowing them to say whatever they want about those individuals, and I've recently seen garbage on other forums about the concurrently-airing Ultimate Otaku Teacher episodes involving a trans kid like "Serves him right (for being sexually assaulted) for being a trap to the mind" and "So many disgusting traps lately, should all just die" and similar tripe. Banning the word sends a clear message that garbage like that won't be tolerated. If you don't like it, there are plenty of other "non-PC" sites you can post hate speech on with impunity.
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r0verandom
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The one significant negative for the episode – and this is, admittedly, a nitpicky point – is its use of Engrish for the U.S. Army officers.
But engrish in this episode (if you ignore 2 sentences from commander) was one of the best engrish I've ever heard in anime. It's obvious that whoever is speaking knows english well so I can't see this as something bad, on the contrary, I think it should be praised (just look at engrish in zankyou no terror or kiniro mosaic for comparison  )
Overall: Based MAPPA, action was 10/10, perfect animation and OST. Now let's hope that conclusion will be as good as the rest of the show. |
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Yttrbio
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Good Engrish is still bad English. Wouldn't it have made more sense for them to demand surrender in bad Japanese, for that matter?
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Half Life
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The following contains my thoughts for a few key point in the upcoming finale -- do not read if you don't like speculation.
spoiler[I think all the kids bodies will be unswapped by the end, meaning Yuta will go back to his original body, and the current inhabitant (Guriko) will go back to hers. The catch is that her body is nearly dead -- one more uberification and she is dead. So the nearly immortal and all powerful villain is defeated by the seeming mortal weakness of one of the heroes. The question is: will she do it willingly (to save her friend Chiyoko) or not. The answer to that will be decided by whether the writers want to redeem the character or not. My gut is telling me she will be redeemed in the end by sacrificing herself to save Chiyoko. I also think the disembodied Yuta issue will have to be resolved -- one of the two Yuta decide to go back in time and set all the events of the series up.] |
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Uokel
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-start rant- Honestly use w.e you want if people get bent out of shape over it too freaking bad. The transgender stuff people keep harping on isn't even a part of this anime, This is simply body swap. There is no deeper meaning to it other than a plot point to make the viewer go WOW i never expected that. It's just funny how people try to force their ideas on something that has no place for it and starting arguments that shouldn't even happen. Your reviews have been fine and there's nothing u need to change -end rant- |
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whiskeyii
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I'm curious to see just how much of this gets wrapped up in the last episode. We still have a few lingering pieces here and there (I don't know why the turtle is part of the Qmay logo or what significance that has, or why cinnamon does what it does, or even why Guriko, Pine, and Chiyoko were in that lab in the first place), but the show might leave off those issues to tackle them in the upcoming PunchLine game, so who knows.
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Uokel
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according to the author this is simply 1 part of the whole. As in there are many things we simply don't know or have seen since this focuses on Pine. Like there are many other view points and such. AKA this makes me very excited as I really enjoy this anime |
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whiskeyii
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I do hope we get to see more of those viewpoints, even in other media, because as much as I like Punch Line's story as a standalone, the world building's felt a little incomplete compared to Uchikoshi's earlier works. |
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