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KabaKabaFruit
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And this is precisely why I won't pay a single cent for anime that comes out of these types of studios anymore.
I have no reason to support industries that exploit their workers for the sake of the bottom line. I like anime but not that much to the point that workers need to be whipcracked at the expense of their own physical and mental well being. I strongly suggest everybody else here do the same. |
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Horsefellow
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You're assuming they don't share the same views, which are quite common in Japan. I won't cite manga adaptions they do since those are written by other people, like all the Okama stuff in One Piece, but Toei originals like Precure, Super Sentai, and Kamen Rider tend to have joke trans characters like Madam Momere in Happiness Charge and the Donut shop lady in Wizard. Although this sounds like it's more of a "we need your legal name" technicality thing than anything else. |
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Shay Guy
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It's kind of stunning in its cynicism, but then again, I don't know that I can consider "I don't like how they make me feel, so there must be something wrong with them" to be better or worse than "we don't really care, but it's a useful bludgeon to save a buck". |
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Cardcaptor Takato
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Sailor Sedna
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Good job, Toei Animation. Is this really the hill you want to die on or Corporate Darwin award you want to win (a bad decision made by a company/corporation that kills the business)? This is a new low, even for you.
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Top Gun
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Why does this not surprise me in the least. Japanese corporate culture is a terrifying dystopian hellscape. |
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Rentwo
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While this is true, I also think it's important to notice that Japan as a whole does lean very heavily to the right. Even among young voters, about 65%-70% of those in their 20s favored the Liberal Democratic party last election, which is ironically the conservative party in Japan. It's at the point where the younger generation is more supportive of the LDP than the older generation are, so it's unlikely this willl change even as the older generation passes on. Of course there's groups that support LGBT folks in Japan, but they're not anywhere comparable to the size and influence they have in the west. There's always going to be exceptions to the rules, but I think it's unhealthy for people to try to pin stuff like this solely on faceless executives and CEOs and try to keep the creators hands clean so they can still enjoy the anime and manga they produce. A lot of writers in Japan do hold beliefs people probably aren't going to like if they lean more progressively. |
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Tempest
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Numerous people have pointed to the fact that "B-san" used a pseudonym when dealing with the company, and that Toei has every right to require that their staff use their legal names.
However, B-san points out that many Toei staff work under pseudonyms. Toei did not extend to B-san the same privileges it extended to its other staff. If B-san's allegations are true, then there is a strong argument to be made that Toei discriminated against B-san. Those arguing that "Toei has a right to enforce... ," are completely missing the point here. -t |
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Tempest
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You are both correct, and together painting a more complete picture. Overall it's true that Japan is a more conservative society than North America when it comes to "progressive issues" such as LGBTQ+ rights. But a lot of Westerners who oppose LGBTQ+ rights like to argue that there is no support whatsoever in Japan. I've never seen an LGBTQ+ ally claim that Japan as awash with support for LGBTQ+ rights. It would be nice if more people who try to bring up Japanese society in defense of their own beliefs actually knew anything about Japanese society. I would definitely add that obviously not everyone who votes LDP opposes LGBTQ+ rights. I know many people who openly support progressive LGBTQ+ rights, but vote for the LDP for a variety of other reasons (international politics, economic policy, habit, etc.) |
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Tempest
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Some of problems with Japan's corporate cultures are very different from the problems with American corporate culture, but no less horrifying. Japanese people are no less horrified when they hear about certain things that happen in American corporations that would never happen in Japan. |
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residentgrigo
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Another giant L for Toei. Good luck to whoever they f###ed over.
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arZ1v@ld
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Shueisha also need to be opened up to LGBTQ and minoraties in order to become diverse, and by the time that 5000 signature has reached Toei will open up it's eyes and realize the mistake, and apoligize to the public for everything. Disney is became most beloved for becoming diverse, and became successful.
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HoshizoranoUtage
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Part of me wants to put my Japanese skills to good use and search around to see what kinds of things Japanese people find horrifying about American corporate culture now... I know that Japanese media tends to paint the US as dangerous and crime-ridden (and there's some truth to that), and some Japanese people I know are scared to travel to the US because of this, but I hadn't heard of Japan finding parts of US work culture horrifying. Interesting... |
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Aresef
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What is the law in Japan on these issues?
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Juno016
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I don't hear "horror stories" per say, but I see a lot of anonymous opinions on matome sites talking about healthcare, insurance, low wages (ironic considering some industries in Japan pay worse on the bottom), and access to transportation. I notice a lot of people who say they have worked in the US cite problems with healthcare and access to transportation mostly. Most general comments are just shocked about whatever individual situation a news article is about, though (matome sites are very tabloid in nature and tend to exaggerate news for clicks). Btw, @Tempest, I genuinely appreciate your contextual insight in these threads. Sincerely, thank you! I was not openly LGBTQ+ in Japan, but I did come out as trans upon coming to the US again in 2018 (I've lived back and forth throughout my life) and my Japanese friends suspected this already, constantly encourage me to return to Japan so we can do makeup and go clothes shopping together, and are confident that Japan will continue to get more socially progressive as the age groups shift. I'm not an expert on Japanese politics, but I have studied general political party history right up to the major party shift and from what I remember, it's not as simple left vs. right as those I see in some Western countries like the US and UK. The LDP generally opposes some LGBTQ+ legislation, but there are some prominent members who openly support and advocate it, too. The US at least tends to see a huge tug-of-war shift between the left and right, but Japan's ruling party often reflects a wider audience based on general consensus in the public. Right now, it's mostly conservative because it reflects the aging population, but there are some younger people within and outside the party who are hopeful for a shift. I don't see a lot of anti-capitalist sentiment, though. Most people generally support whatever economic policies seem to be working for them. There are fewer populist movements in Japan because the rich tend to live modestly and the poorer groups usually have access to many of their basic needs. Income inequality is still growing, but it's not as visible in society at large. ...Of course, I have spent very little time caring much about Japanese politics since 2013, so things may have changed drastically since. Even living there, I was isolated from tv news and newspapers and stuck to whatever I was reading on the internet to inform me, so... blegh. Not an expert. |
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