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louis6578
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@ dtm42
Such viewpoints are what makes Grey morality. I could argue that the villagers were all bastards who deserved to die. Regardless, give me an example of an anime that pulls off grey morality well without it diverging into Evil vs Evil. [Edit]: just quoting dtm42's entire post wasn't necessary. Errinundra. |
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rinmackie
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Thank you louis for your kind reply. I recently watched Shiki back in the spring on Funimation. I loved it so much I bought the dvd/bluray combo pack! Glad you appreciated Masao; and yes, I have dug around about for the novel and manga version. I've only been able to read a few chapters and I have to say the anime version was the most sympathetic towards him. The one thing I wish they had brought out was the reason he never hunted.(It was sorta hinted at, though.) People assume that he was simply weak, lazy, or stupid. But really, the idea of hunting people down just didn't seem right to him. So he never killed anyone in his village, just those folks that had been kidnapped from other areas and already weakened. True, he did try to go after his sister-in-law at the end, but it was out of desperation. And I don't think he necessarily wanted to kill her, he just wanted her to help him escape.
Of course, since the anime was out years ago and not many people watched it, I haven't really had much of a chance to discuss it. Though since I like an unpopular character, maybe that's a good thing. I've already went through some similar problems back when I was following Vampire Knight. |
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louis6578
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Personally, I think the anime wanted you to sympathize with him a bit more. The manga makes it clear that he was going to feed on his in-laws once they let him in. The anime makes it seem like he honestly learned his lesson and just wants someone to pity him. I do agree though. It was out of desperation in both versions. He's not a heartless bitch like Megumi, but he doesn't keep trying to justify it while hating himself like Tohru. [Edit]: ditto. |
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dtm42
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There was absolutely no grey morality in what I just said. That you can't even back up your wild assertion or rebut me on any of the points I raised seals it.
Did you actually watch Nausicaa or is the excellent rating you gave to it just for show?
Yeah, we're done here. |
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louis6578
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Admittedly, Nausicaa and Mononoke are great examples of it. What TV shows do you consider to have this dynamic though. All I'm saying is that both sides are more sympathetic than in... say, Death Note, Code Geass, Future Diary, or anything else where I've heard ignorant fans praise the show. [Edit]: ditto again. |
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Errinundra
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The discussion on the meaning of anime and manga is over. Any further soapboxing, skaterballer, and you may find yourself on moderation. (Yes, I deleted your post.)
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skaterballer
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Sorry. At first I conveniently took it as though no more soapboxing from forum to forum. My bad. I see now. Are you sure I can't post a final comment about it? It's a concise reply to Night fox. |
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Animeking1108
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Okay, doing further research, apparently, more people praise the Chimera Ant Arc than I though. Now that I finally finished the arc (after nine months of trying), I can go into full detail. -The Chimera Ant Arc sucked: This arc started off with so much potential. The concept of the Chimera Ants is pretty unique. However, after spoiler[Kite's death], the arc really started to fall apart. First, the Chimera Ants just want to rule the world because... evil. Next, we get a roadblock in the arc with Gon and Killua doing more training, fighting a discount Kuwabara, and Gon going on a date with a woman twice his age. Half the Chimera Ants and their battles could have been cut from the arc and nothing would have been missed. A few of them only existed just so the Genei Ryodan can do something and then they leave. They missed an opportunity to have Gon and Killua team up with them after facing a common enemy, but they only show up for one fight and then they sod off. The characters they introduce (Knuckle, Morel, Knov, and Palm) are so unmemorable. Where were Kurapika and Leorio? Hell, where were Kite's team? Why did the Hunters Association only send a handful of Hunters to deal with the Chimera Ants? They try to humanize Meruem by having him fall in love with Komugi. Ignoring that Love Redeems is the most cliched way to have a villain see the error of their ways, their relationship is straight-up Stockholm Syndrome. Finally, after dragging the arc on for 61 episodes (or 132 chapters (spread out seven years due to the constant hiatuses) if you were unfortunate enough to read this arc while it was going on in the manga), it ends on a huge anti-climax. First, we have spoiler[Pitou, who goes out like a female dog after Gon is given the most ridiculous super-mode in all of anime]. After spoiler[the Chairman nukes Meruem, he regenerates]. You'd think he'd be back for one last round, but instead spoiler[he, Pouf, and Youpi die from radiation poisoning, and the latter two die offscreen]. After dragging this arc needlessly long, that's how you *bleep*-ing end it? Good freaken god, this arc sucked! Say what you will about "Naruto" having poor-pacing, but at least that can be excused by filler. The Chimera Ant Arc's poor pacing was completely canon to the manga. I really hope the Election Arc is much better. |
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guildmaster
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Sort of like accelerator in Railgun & Index. That's one character who I'd just as soon see vaporized, especially in the Railgun series. Some NSDAP members from the '30s & '40s were almost decent by comparison. |
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TarsTarkas
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I thought I was old, you must be a lot older if you can do comparisons from the 1930's and 1940's. Had to do a google search for your acronym. Wonder if you had a reason for not just saying NAZI party. I actually liked Lelouch, and hated Suzaku Kururugi. |
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guildmaster
Posts: 355 Location: Hot & Humid FL |
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Hi, Yes, I'm no longer a spring chicken. My back reminds me of that every time I have to hand wax all these cars. I did 3 of 4 on successive days last month and by the 2nd one, I was cursing Cadillac for all the stupid body lines so low in the doors / sides. I need to do the old 1968 one again before MLK day for the parade. At least that one has very smooth lower body lines. It's warming up, so maybe later today. On the NAZI / NSDAP. I really hate them and all they stood for, but didn't want to get people all wound up. But then I saw it a few times and without the mods jumping in. I also notice the (sometimes) abundant profanity posted so I shouldn't have been too concerned. Being a historian I believe NSDAP is a more correct acronym. The English translation is National Socialist German Workers Party. Almost sounds communist, until you realize who it actually represented. I wasn't around then, I grew up in the 60s, but have bookshelves full of history, mainly on 20th century military history. I do like the German WW2 tanks though. Girls und Panzer, however silly the plot /story line is, the tanks are Very well rendered. I don't know the two anime characters you are referencing, but I'm sure there are others with essentially no redeeming qualities as well. If it's just the EBG (evil bad guy) everyone's trying to defeat that's one thing, but as a main or 2nd character, I'm like, nope, this one has to go. |
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Jose Cruz
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[Edit]: removed off-topic post disregarding my previous warning. It has also been four months since that particular discussion. Errinundra.
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Akane the Catgirl
Posts: 1091 Location: LA, Baby! |
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I'm going to be honest; I think Black Butler's handling of Madame Red's backstory was really bad. This is coming from someone who, based on what I know about the manga, thinks the anime is better as a whole. Allow me to explain briefly why I thought Madame Red's backstory writing was completely hacky and manipulative.
spoiler["She had low self-esteem AND THEN she lost in a love triangle AND THEN her sister and brother-in-law died AND THEN her husband was killed AND THEN she miscarried and became infertile!"] That is WAY too much tragedy for one character. Do you want to know the worst part? Everything except the last part I described in that spoilery paragraph is completely irrelevant to her overall motivation. You could have erased all of that material, and nothing important would change. The story is also trying really hard to excuse Madame Red's actions while forgetting the fact that, you know, spoiler[she's one half of a serial killer.] I felt so uncomfortable, and not in the way the show wanted. It's a pretty dark spot on an otherwise enjoyable anime. |
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Night fox
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Wow, I just watched the anime ranked #26 of the best rated anime here on ANN (#5 among the movies)... Boy, were my expectations high for this one, it has an 8.7 rating average after all... Let's see. Where should I begin? Oh, yeah, maybe with the name? Ok, here's my opinion of the crappiest anime movie I've seen so far and one of the worst titles period:
Gekijōban Gintama Kanketsu-hen: Yorozuya yo Eien Nare First of all, kudos to whoever managed to write an encyclopedia plot summary for this title. The first 20 min of this movie is litterally a waste of time and it doesn't really improve much from there on. The story has absolutely no structure and the overuse of repetitive, cheap jokes is a chore to sit through. Thing just happen randomly, as if someone had just sat down and suddenly started typing whatever thoughts decided to pop into his head at that given moment. Just to regret what he'd written a minute ago and instead decide to make a joke out of it. "I was just kidding, see? No harm done." Well, how about removing the crap you just wrote altogether? Editing? What's that? What the hell were the writers and director thinking when they made this incoherent abomination!? This movie is an absolute joke and deserves to be buried and forgotten in the deepest, darkest abyss known to mankind! *pant* *pant* There, I feel much better now that I got that out of my system. 
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Animeking1108
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'The Seven Deadly Sins' sucks- I immediately dropped the series the second Meliodas groped an unconscious girl and got away with it the rest of the episode. Apparently, throughout the series, he rarely if ever gets chastised for his behavior, and the girl he regularly gropes falls in love with him. Yeah, and you though Meruem and Komugi's relationship was creepy. You know, when characters like Naruto Uzumaki and Yusuke Urameshi do something perverted, they at least got smacked across the face for it. It's the same BS that put me off TMOHS. In real life, Haruhi and Meliodas would be going door-to-door telling their neighbors that they're registered sex offenders.
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