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When I'm responding to fansubs in general, where this justification that downloading a fansub because an HD option doesn't exist when the industry is moving towards legal streaming, moving towards HD streaming, so just because it doesn't exist now isn't a justification to steal it as I've said

I did watch the Hulu streams for Shikabane Hime. I also watched it on Funimation.com without the advertisements (which were largely annoying on Hulu because they don't have enough ads there... lol). I also downloaded some of the 720p rips and went back to Funimation because it was easier. But I don't think I supported Funimation by doing that, they don't even have ads on those episodes. I actually am costing them more by going there since they have to pay the bandwidth costs. It's difficult for me to see how this model is supposed to serve them. I figured that it was likely Hulu may charge enough that they end up breaking even there with the ads, otherwise I suspect they wouldn't be working to get this on their own site.

It would be nice to know if the industry is really making money from youtube/hulu/etc. Do these streaming options actually help them right now or do they just provide some "legal option" which theoretically is supposed to help them in the long run by making more people look down on fansubs? In theory crunchyroll is paying them more since they actually have the subscription bit going there.

I have been responding to points made in this thread and points made by others for the reasons that they download fansubs. So these reasons, they come off as excuses to me over legitimate complaints, considering where the industry is heading and So say "Strawman" which is: To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.

When I'm responding to fansubs in general, where this justification that downloading a fansub because an HD option doesn't exist when the industry is moving towards legal streaming, moving towards HD streaming, so just because it doesn't exist now isn't a justification to steal it as I've said. Explain to me how that is a "Strawman" I referenced sentiments expressed in this thread and others in my previous post about how I feel that there are moving goalposts with fansubs that the industry will never be able to meet as they are constantly moving. You scream "Straw man"

I explain how I came to the conclusion of being patient considering what the industry is doing, that I feel that there is a benefit in doing so, that the industry is giving legal streams, simul-casting and pay-for-downloads, and with new series faster than ever before. And yet you dismiss my post with "straw man". As if the points I'm raising, the request to wait and not do something is not addressing the issue that has been raised.

Now, I'm not saying that the fansub groups are necessarily right in subbing shows - whether they can be obtained through legitimate channels or not - but there are plenty of reasons for fansubbers to continue to sub anime even if it can be obtained legally.

To put what you think is a straw man argument up.


You: What the heck do you think has driven companies to start releasing legitimate streams? It certainly was not because people have been patient. These are deficiencies that need to be addressed, not brushed aside.

Me: But to think that fansubs are the sole cause of this movement is odd, considering that they would look more to iTunes and TV models, models which the little respected R1 distributors have been pushing for.

You: See? You just pulled the same BS all over again. I never even once said that fansubs were what forced the industry to start providing streams.

If that were so why are they providing them? I responded to your question and you say that that is a straw man because you basically said it was the impatient people what has caused legal streaming to happen, but you then go on to say that no it's not true you didn't say that. Fansub users are impatient consumers. That is why I said "I find it odd as a sole influence."

When I'm responding to fansubs in general, where this justification that downloading a fansub because an HD option doesn't exist when the industry is moving towards legal streaming, moving towards HD streaming, so just because it doesn't exist now isn't a justification to steal it as I've said.

But that does not justify stealing a stream

as a customer you have more weight to say I'm not going to buy your products over Unless you release anime how I want it I'm going to continue to steal it.

I asked why a group would do so, was answered and said that the reasoning is faulty and explained why I think so, to reinforce the point the other members have said. Your correct in your studies that you point out, but when you do not explain your position it makes it harder to read, as to my knowledge, no one can read intent or minds in a forum post or a conversation. Now why do I say support Blu-ray releases? Because a business needs to see the financial incentive to continue, much like LE box sets, a company will stop if it is not financially viable for them to do so. I responded to Kalessin in the way to show that what is happening with illegal distribution is something I find as a negative when legitimate options exist and near certainty of this series is coming.

One aspect that some may forget is that anime is made to make money, and I agree there are things that the industry as a whole can improve upon in distribution, however that doesn't give me a justification to move through illegal methods to do so, a company is going to listen more to their customers and those consumers willing to buy.

The simple reality is that people will resort to those methods until a better alternative is provided; The simple reality is that people will resort to those methods until a better alternative is provided; whether it's right, wrong, or justifiable in anyway is irrelevant o,o;;

Fansubs are not suppossed to be the better alternative