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penguintruth
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I think it depends on what you thought of the ADV dub of the series, which personally I feel doesn't hold up at all. |
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PBsallad
 Posts: 338 Location: Phoenix |
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I've heard that a mangaka will get 20% per manga sale in the US. But as Brian said it depends on contract to contract. |
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GATSU
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Yeah, the residuals are probably even worse over there for their own products. I've said it before, but the Japanese production companies really need to get a bigger cut out of that pie, because they're really getting screwed by the middle-men. |
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ikillchicken
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Why are people complaining about the summer season? From what I've heard, Shiki is good, Occult Academy is a surprising success. That's a couple decent shows. That seems about average for a summer season.
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agila61
 Posts: 3213 Location: NE Ohio |
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I dunno ...Summer 2006 had FLAG, Welcome to the NHK, Innocent Venus and Project Blue Chikyuu SOS. A couple of decent shows and a couple of great shows. I'm probably still in Durarara withdrawal ... Durarara on Friday, Giant Killing on Sunday and various catalog titles I caught up on was enough to keep me happy last season. |
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LordByronius
ANN Columnist
 Posts: 861 Location: Philippe for America! He is five. |
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i think it helps that they're watching it on a site that says "funimation.com" and all around the video box are big banners that say "FUNIMATION" and a little tag at the beginning and end of each video that also says "FUNIMATION" as well as the little bug in the corner of the video that says "FUNIMATION" too just sayin' |
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Shorty22
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Well, what about option 3 - release it sub-only? I think it's pretty established that subs are cheaper than dubs. Just throwing that idea out there.
Or is sub-only not really something Funimation does? In which case, I retract my comment... |
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vashfanatic
 Posts: 3489 Location: Back stateside |
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The love for Hellsing's English dub never ceases to amaze me, since as much as I think Crispin Freeman is a great actor he in no way remotely comes close to Jouji Nakata. It... doesn't match. At all. The difference is so huge, I can't stand it. Whatever its other merits, that fact alone killed the English dub for me in 5 seconds. :shudder:
But then again, I don't really care much about whether the dub is good or not... and I'd be the first to step up and say the subtitling on Geneon's release of Hellsing was a joke. Arucard? Switching from Integral to Integra randomly? *sigh* I'd say I just can't win, except that I've found every adaptation of Hellsing to be somewhat disappointing and at this point consider the franchise overrated. The manga has an anticlimactic ending (after an otherwise pretty awesome final act), the first anime has lots of plot threads that go nowhere (awesome score, though), and the second anime adaptation extends the "humorous" (read: obnoxiously unfunny) bits of the manga out to multiple-minute long stretches of agony. /rant Otherwise, interesting post as always. I have to say I'm disappointed by the summer season, especially compared to last season, where House of Five Leaves and especially Tatami Galaxy were so good, with the ending of Durarara!! and the start of Giant Killing to round it out, plus Heroman was initially pretty fun even if the charm wore off eventually. This season...? Well, I really like Occult Academy, and Shiki shows promise, but otherwise? Unfortunately I can't answer the other half of the question since the only movie I've seen so far is Iron Man 2. I plan to see Inception soon and Toy Story 3 once it shows up at a theater without 3D (I don't feel like paying extra for it). And I'm hoping Scott Pilgrim vs The World is as awesome and faithful to the spirit of the comic book as the trailers make it out to be. I never expect much in terms of quality from summer movies, save from Pixar. Otherwise, wait until they cram the award-bait at the end of the year. |
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Zin5ki
 Posts: 6680 Location: London, UK |
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I have this to say on the matter, vashfanatic: your views on the Hellsing dub, which you deem to constitute a rant when expressed, are far more forgiving than mine. Because the show's premise warrants a dub, my general dislike of the existing English-language track effectively extinguishes any interest I held in the franchise.
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v1cious
 Posts: 6203 Location: Houston, TX |
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That little girl is awesome. Her Pirates of the Caribbean is way better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-Gztizq_4U&feature=related
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Xanas
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"Anime Economics" as it stands now is tied directly to government interventions in the market and would be far better off in a free market system.
Copyright law establishes monopolies on distribution and encourages sale of licenses to buyers to gain the right to release internationally. In a free market system bit-torrent and fansubs are no less legitimate as a means of distribution than anything else. Distributors who want to continue having something to distribute (for advertising revenue or direct sales of physical media) have every reason to support those creating what they want to distribute. This could be done in multiple ways, and because especially in the anime community consumers have a strong interest in seeing support to the animators I think we'd see a lot of distributors using something like what Kinsella talks about in this article: http://blog.mises.org/13286/the-creator-endorsed-mark-as-an-alternative-to-copyright/ Those who want dubs could easily see a secondary dub market that would function in a similar manner, not tied in any way to licensing of the original media. Dubs could be produced through a variety of third party entrepreneurs who are interested in anime and spreading interest. Unfortunately, as of late Japan has shown itself going more in the direction of draconian anti-downloading laws and attempts to prosecute people through use of encrypted peer to peer technology. They can only ensure that this technology becomes better, while producing all of the wrong incentives. Rather than encouraging consumers to support what they like these systems cause people to resent both publishers and distributors. Those who support copyright (in a real "inalienable" sense, despite the nonsensical arguments that entails) should continue by their own arguments to buy things just as they do now, and those who do not, will lose any argument they have against the current system when it is decentralized. Additionally, strong tactics should be used against those who would lie and say they support creators when they do not. Authors/publishers could produce websites authenticating who actually pays them so that consumers can verify they are truly supporting authors as they intend. This entire system would be relatively inexpensive, reduce costs associated with lawyers on the part of industry and lost productivity on the part of those currently jailed due to the draconian copyright laws, etc. The only lawsuits necessary are those between buyers and the merchants who defrauded them by saying they supported creators when they didn't, and perhaps some additional 3rd party auditors that would establish credibility for distributors. |
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ikillchicken
Posts: 7272 Location: Vancouver |
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Not really following your reasoning here. What does knowing of the distributor's name matter? |
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Xanas
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Knowing the distributors name matters so that you know who to buy anime from in order to get the show you are watching. Of course, the problem is you can't necessarily purchase it right then and there, which limits the benefit for those shows streamed before being available for purchase. |
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agila61
Posts: 3213 Location: NE Ohio |
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If its a licensed series, and you have a credit card with adequate balance, you can definitely click the "buy series" link when its done streaming and buy it right then and there. Can't do that on a leech streaming site. |
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The Xenos
 Posts: 1519 Location: Boston |
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Funny there's a question about original creators and animators getting cut out of the profits. I was just talking about an article with friends that says Lucasfilm is telling David Prowse, Darth Vader himself, that Return of the Jedi technically (by their numbers) never made a profit and they can't pay him any more money.
http://www.filmbuffonline.com/FBOLNewsreel/wordpress/2009/04/06/return-of-the-jedi-has-yet-to-make-profit/ Wow. |
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