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GATSU
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Carey: Well, yeah, I agree The Mask was nothing without Carrey. Otherwise that sequel would've at least done somewhat as well as the original flick. But then ask yourself how well did he pull off the Riddler in Batman Forever? True, Schumacher's partly to blame for it, but it sounds like they were going to a Joker 2.0, rather than the original character in the comic. [Compare him to the TAS version of the Riddler, and it's even worse.] So, yeah, the right actors are important for a film; but you also have to believe in the source material. And you gotta actually care about the FX. That's why DB: E sucked so horribly.
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Mika20
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It would be horrific if Cowboy Bebop was already made (and had cost half a billion dollars), and after that the movie flops big time.
I'd say they better call it quits just to be on the safe side. For this movie to cost that much and fail (cause let's face it, no way this movie will be a hit), that would ruin the industry and actors' careers as a whole. Maybe I'm a bit mean on this subject, but it's not always a brilliant idea in making movies based on anime and thinking everyone will like it. If the right tools and people aren't fitting the movie, of course it will suck. Now, unless something new comes up and actors happen to be perfect for the roles, then maybe (Just maybe) it will be a big hit. But to be honest, they need to just call it quits and not spend so much money on just one movie. |
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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Wait...you say Keanu is unsuitable to play Spike, presumably because of how when he's angry, sad, happy, etc he looks the same and acts the same (poorly), but think Cage is a good choice? Wow. As for the financial figure I think it's safe to say that's an exaggeration. For starters to do it right wouldn't even cost that much. The only areas heavy CG would be needed are shots in space. When they're "on the ground" there really was not that much difference in the settings between modern day today and in the show. Nothing that well done movies have not already proved can be done already. The problem with most of the live action anime adaptations so far is they've used many shows that just was unrealistic to make a good adaptation of. I mean Dragonball common. The only way to make that believable would be to dump 500 million into it and the CG. The list could go on. CB however is not unrealistic to turn into an adaptation. We've had great "space" special effects in movies already with ships and space battles so that could be done. When not in space anything they'd have to do has been done before. So visually it is easily doable. The hard part then becomes the script and acting. The advantage though is with the visual aspects being readily possible to do they won't need to (hopefully) take away funds from the script and acting and directing to pump into hordes of expensive CG. I think CB right out of the gate has a much better chance just on paper of being a plausible live action adaptation. In terms of casting for spike....the fact is Keanu does fit. Spike was more aloof and Keanu excels in that. Plus he can do the martial arts. Name some actors who have that aloof nature and can do the martial arts and would visually look the role of Spike. Please name them because I can't think of many. |
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jdnation
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Practically all films of this sort have sequels/trilogies written into contracts from the get go, regardless. They don't have to be made, but this stuff is always laid out. Tobey Maguire doesn't just sign on for 1 Spider-Man movie, he committed to 3 whether he wanted to or not. FOX signed James Cameron on for at the very least an Avatar Trilogy. It was risky and they didn't know whether the film would succeed. Trilogies and multi-movie deals are pretty much the status quo with films that have franchise potential. If the writers really do want to do justice to the entire Bebop story and characters, I can see it being spread out and presented as a Trilogy. Not that each film couldn't be stand-alone and a complete story on its own. So this is probably what they're negotiating. Also who gets what cuts and how much money after the release etc. is also planned out now. Finally I have no problem with Keanu Reeves as Spike. ONE) He can fight and knows kung-fu as it were. TWO) Spike is pretty soft spoken and usually calm and aloof and a wisecracker, it's not that deep a role. I think Keanu Reeves can manage this alright. Of course the guy's not getting any younger, so hopefully this comes out soon. And the reason some anime adaptation suck is because nobody really tried to do them justice. Dragonball was so obviously a very lazy studio effort on a low budget. The Wachowskis however delivered a masterpiece with Speed Racer, one that actually exceeds far beyond the source material! It only sank because critics can be stupid and people in general believed them, though I've yet to meet a person who didn't see it and like it on some level. Most loved it! Bebop can succeed as a Trilogy. Have the first film be a stand alone one introducing Spike and Jet as bounty Hunters looking for Bloody Eye. Have them come across Faye just like in the Casino episode, and end the movie on A Ballad of Fallen Angels where the Bloody Eye plot leads up to the confrontation with Viscious. If the first film is successful, greenlight the second. Here we focus a bit on Earth, Introduce Ed, and follow Faye's journey to discover who she was. And revolve that around the plotline of Spike heading to venus to search for Julia and encountering Vicious again. Towards the end, say farewell to Ed, resolve Faye's search for her identity and end on the same note as the middle of the series left off with and open ended-ness leading towards the events of a third film. Usually if the first film does well and a second is greenlit a third is usually a given as the second film usually does better, and sales for the third rely largely on the critics, but by the second one you know people are invested. In the third open with a look into Jett's past with his wife and the cops and the mafia and syndicates. Ed is no longer necessary here and isn't needed. Have Faye drifting around and meeting up with Julia. Take the whole story towards it's and Spike's conclusion as the syndicate war brews and the cops are unable to do much. There you have a trilogy covering all the necessary events, and Spike story shouldn't be the focus of one mvie, but told over the course of all three. Keeping his background a continued mystery in movie 1 and 2 creates intrigue in a character that audiences should already love just because of his character from the start that pays off in the end. The first film is an intro to the world of Bebop with a little on Spike Jett and Faye. The second can introduce Ed and focus on him and Faye. The last will focus on Jett and Spike, but over the course of the first there'll be development on Spike and Jett, but ultimately they will be the entire focus of the third. |
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KAtchan15
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 He fits Spike's look. That's just me though. Matter of fact, I can’t think of an actor who would even be remotely be perfect to play as Spike Spiegel. Cowboy Bebop, is an anime series that I hold dearly, it‘s very memorable to me. It would be better if it were left alone as it is.
If we’re talking about amazing actors though, Johnny Depp is one of my favorites, but I don’t think his overall look would fit Spike’s aesthetic. My feelings towards this Cowboy Bebop live action are the same as my feelings about the World of Warcraft Movie. I really think it’s gonna suck on so many levels. IF the movie turns out to be NOT SO disappointing, then that's GREAT, everyon who decided to spend money and watch it are happy. Last edited by KAtchan15 on Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:43 am; edited 1 time in total |
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CareyGrant
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*Kronk's Voice* Ri-i-i-i-ight... Umm... Ghostrider, Bangkok Dangerous, Astroboy, Wickerman... Do I need to go on? Although, I will say I love Raising Arizona - brilliant! That aside, I don't think it's gonna fly. No one wants to gamble with money in Hollywood right now and it would take FAR greater actors than Keanu (not that that's hard) with a top flight director/producer (like Christopher Nolan, Peter Jackson or similar) to even make this appealing to a mainstream audience. What's more, the harshest critics, the fans of Bebop, aren't gonna be satisfied with less than the best; consider what a live action movie has to live up to. Bebop set the bar pretty damned high. Again, I'd love to see another animated Bebop movie, but with Japan's otaku so enamored with moe, fanservice and mecha, I don't see that as happening. Besides, wasn't Bebop more popular in the West than in Japan? And that's a cryin' shame. |
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enurtsol
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Lighthearted family-friendly stuff. Heavy at times, but not too heavy.
Fans help, but not always necessary. Classic Transformers fans were harsh critics to the live-action movies, but the mainstream liked the movies enough to become hits. (And yeah, there's also Megan Fox - just gotta have someone like that play Faye, Julia, or a new sexy character and you're all set.  )
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Kalessin
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He probably means films not aimed at kids. Typically, at best, an animated film is meant to be a "family" film. They're rarely aimed at adults in the US. The only animated anything which gets aimed at adults are comedies like Family Guy or Futurama. For instance, no matter how good it was, if you were to do a Cowboy Bebop animated film which required no knowledge of the anime and was aimed at a general audience rather than an otaku audience or anyone familiar with the series, it would likely tank in the theater because not very many non-otaku would go see it. The mere fact that it was animated would going to make it so that the average adult would not be interested regardless of how good it was or how much they'd like it if they actually gave it a chance. Other than the occasional comedy, "cartoons are for kids" is the typical mentality in the US, so any serious animated film aimed at adults is pretty much doomed to failure. |
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captainbanana
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Oh my god, I think my brain just exploded. Nicholas Cage as Spike? What? Spike is like....twenty seven. Cage is the same age as Keanu I think (48ish) but he looks older to me. Cage or Keanu playing him is absurd, but if either of them looks his age, it is Keanu.
If this movie never happens, I'll be relieved. It is right up there with Shadow of the Colossus on the list of potential movies that I never want to see the light of day. |
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RHachicho
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Keanu reaves as spike ... sorry not going to work. Keanu is basically a plank of acting wood. And spike is a sassy b*stard. Cage could possibly pull off the attitude but you are right in that his age dousn't match at all.
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pomocho
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Unfortunately, it would probably be more like Robert Pattinson as Spike and Kristin Stewart as Faye. Maybe Taylor Lautner could play Vicious.
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Mohawk52
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RHachicho
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Yeah but tbh the amout of Anime fans that would go see a cowboy bebop movie at the drop of a hat. If it "does" get made (And i agree with your point about the whinging of the bedgeot) I don't think we are talking peanut numbers here. A big proportion of the people going to see a movie like that will be fans of the Anime. However I can tell you that I personally won't be going to see no CbBp movie with no Keanu-Spike
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R315r4z0r
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Going along with what I said before when I said that the adaptation shouldn't 'adapt' the anime's plot line and rather create it's own original material that takes place between episodes of the anime. I think a few characters should not be portrayed in the movie.
Julia and Vicious are among the people who should not be in the movie. Putting them in the movie will mess up the continuity of the anime. When it comes to adaptations, side stories are always better than re-imaginings. I don't want to see an hour of Spike meets Jet meets Faye meets Edward and then 25 minutes of plot and Spike fighting Vicious. Not only would it make Faye and Edward pointless to be in the movie, but it would just waste time and cause people to get confused. The only way that this movie would work is this: 1. All the characters already know each other from the get-go. The writer would just have to focus on introducing the characters to the audience rather than each other. This should realistically take 10-15 minutes. That gives a crap load of time for character and plot development. 2. None of the anime's episode plots should be the focus of this movie in anything but a cameo reference. (Like they could say "Hey, remember such and such bounty head?" but they can't have a plot revolve around catching one of the bounties that were in the anime.) 3. None of the anime's subplots can be focused on in the movie in anything other than slight reference. Vicious should not be a character in the movie, but his name could be mentioned at one point to wink to the fans of the series. 4. Using the information gathered between two episodes of the anime, the setting has to make sense. The movie should take place EXACTLY BETWEEN episode X and episode Y. Using the locations from those two episodes, the setting for the movie should be brought into focus. (For example, if say one episode takes place on Ganymede and the next takes place on Mars, then the movie should not take place on Venus.) 5. Don't change the personality types of the characters. PLEASE. Don't make Spike some guy who needs to find the confidence or the resolve to stand up to something. Spike's main characteristics are his trust in himself and his trust in fate. "Whatever happens, happens." He doesn't like women, he doesn't like dogs and he doesn't like kids. He just likes to keep to himself and simply do what he puts his mind to. There is no ifs, ands or buts. He just DOES things. He doesn't worry about things like "I can't do it, so I don't want to try" he just goes ahead and does them. 6. spoiler[SPIKE CANNOT DIE AT THE END OF THIS MOVIE.] |
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teh*darkness
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