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st_owly
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Because of course if people discover the book they want is unobtainable in that place they'll buy a different one rather than looking for and buying it elsewhere
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mgosdin
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That this has made a headline is bad for Amazon and Hatchette / Yen Press. It's the sort of "Dirty Laundry" that businesses really really don't want aired.
What Amazon has done is not illegal or immoral, but it can be classed as plain old fashioned stupid. I'm a Prime member and I will let them know that they aren't doing themselves any favors. This is why I split my buying between Onlne Amazon & RightStuf and Physical at Barnes & Noble & Books-a-Million. Mark Gosdin |
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Aquasakura
 Posts: 700 Location: Chesterfield, Virginia, U.S.A |
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I never heard of a business doing such a thing before. I am not an expert on business but I am pretty sure that is not how one is suppose to handle an issue such as this. I feel sorry for Hatchette as well as the people who bought those items from them that are going through this right now. This, along with reading everyone else comments is making me reconsider of relying on Amazon too much for buying manga, or anything for that matter. I guess I would try rightstuf as that seems to be favor over here. I would also reconsider ordering from either the Books a Million or Barnes and Noble websites.
Of course I would still buy from Amazon, but it won't be the first site I would visit anymore (at least until whoever is in charge change his/her/their ways). |
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誤称
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Its nice to see everyone paint Amazon as the evil one here. Let's not forget that Yen Press and Hachette are spearheading the rise in manga prices. $13 for a manga that used to be $7 is typical for their titles. Amazon wants to discount their product and they refuse so Amazon says "fine, we'll order less from you. Good luck!" This is perfectly fine. Hachette and Yen Press can cut their own throats if they wish, but Amazon's their biggest outlet and if they piss them off its their own damn fault.
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partially
Posts: 702 Location: Oz |
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To my understanding a lot of the disputes over ebooks is from Amazon trying to sell ebooks cheaper, not over getting a better deal per se. Which is something I can entirely get behind. The pricing from traditional publishers for ebooks is too frequently ridiculous. And I am all for Amazon using some heavy-handed tactics to do so. Apple used similar tactics with digital music or did you prefer paying stupid prices for them? |
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Polycell
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Ashen Phoenix
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Indeed. I've been a big follower of Amazon's for other book and DVD/BD titles, but have always tried to buy thru RS since they're a smaller company. This is just ridiculous and petty. If you have a dispute with someone, don't throw a fit and toss their stuff off a balcony. Find a way to compromise. 
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Gilles Poitras
Posts: 476 Location: Oakland California |
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In general used book dealers that sell through Amazon tend to have higher prices. I use Bookfinder which aggregates seller info from multiple sources, including Amazon. http://www.bookfinder.com |
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TheSeventhSense
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Don't blame them, blame the economy. With import prices and sales tax, selling a manga for $7.99 nowadays would be suicide. Heck, I'm surprised Viz has kept their regular price at $9.99 for so long, and I think they're experimenting with raising the price a bit with their "Signature" line. |
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誤称
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Right, this is why manga in Japan costs half of what it does here. It isn't the economy doubling costs, the correct answer would be greed. |
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overlordrae
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I remember when Amazon did that to Macmillian. And a few incidents regarding de-ranking LGBT novels and removing BL manga from Kindle due to their adult content rule, regardless of actual content but leaving up hentai.
Amazon just slaps publishing companies around until they do what they want. This isn't 'negotiation'. (Also, $13 a manga sucks but I used to buy flipped manga for $17+ back in the day, so I guess I'll just have to get used to it again.  )
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AilisKnil
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There's also a much bigger market for manga in Japan. Look at manga prices just about anywhere else and they'll be significantly greater. |
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st_owly
Posts: 5234 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland |
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And Japan doesn't have to pay for people to translate, retouch and reletter it. As the previous poster mentioned, economies of scale help make manga much cheaper in Japan. Attack on Titan was recently announced as having ~660,000 copies of all the volumes in circulation in the US. Each individual volume in Japan has sold well over a million copies. It's a different scale entirely.
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誤称
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For those costs, the NA translators are removed from the costs of the original mangaka, his/her assistants, and associated costs of the original creation. Adaptation costs are likely significantly cheaper than those involved in the original creation of the work. Certainly there is a difference in scale, but there is far less overhead than the simple adaptation of the original work would incur. Also the NA companies do not have as high of promotional costs, do not provide perks like mail in contests, character rankings, and other marketing campaigns. The costs NA companies do incur are not likely of such great scope that it would legitimately cost twice as much to prepare the work for market and require a like increase in pricing. |
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yamiangie
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It has to be a bummer for Hachette's acutal long form titles. In general rightstuf is slightly cheaper on manga titles anyway.
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