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Nico_Astray
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I'm not from the UK, nor US so even if there is a big problem, I wouldn't get replacements.
But we're talking about single frames where the problems are apparent. It's a pity that Funimation acts like nothing happened, but I can live with it. |
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Zalis116
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Although the crowd on Reddit claiming "this is why people pirate" are off-base; statistically, most viewers who pirated this or any modern/airing show either watched lower-quality re-encodes of legal streams or 1:1 direct rips of legal streams, and did so during the JP broadcast. Blu-Ray rips get minuscule numbers in comparison, since everyone's moved on to the current season by the time they come out.
I do have to agree on Aniplex, though. I recently rewatched the 2nd season of Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya via the Bandai DVDs, and they had fair amounts of banding and compression artifacts. (Kadokawa strikes/struck again??) And unlike many US releases, particularly "1 cour in 1 set" formats, MoHS '09 was spread out on 4 discs with 3-4 eps per disc, instead of on 2 with 6-7 eps. But then I started rewatching Madoka Magica on Aniplex's DVDs (also 4 eps/disc), and they are clean, detailed, and free of major artifacts noticeable under normal viewing conditions. At least on my setup, anyway. |
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RANGIT
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It totally does. I compared the first two episodes just last night and it was still encoded from the same source (either from their own BD, a more likely scenario or the masters they were given.) Did you perhaps compare a different episode?
LPCM, DTS-HD MA and TrueHD are all the best. As long as they have the same bit depth, channels and sample rate then they should be still the same exact lossless audio when decompressed. I'd argue that both DTS-HD MA and TrueHD are better if only because they save space due to lossless compression, thus allowing one to make better use of the extra space for maximizing video bit rate (if capacity is an issue) instead of being wasted by LPCM's uncompressed format. LPCM however, is the safest lossless format to use as it probably has the most widespread player support for a lossless format, it's just not the most efficient. Anyway, I get why you said it. I just thought I'd explain why you wrote it. |
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Zalis116
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Apparently there are reports (also from Professorwho) that these discs lack the Next Episode Previews. I know many care don't care about them, on the grounds of "Show's already finished, you can watch the next ep without waiting a week, you don't need the previews if you've already seen the whole series." But I agree with Professorwho's sentiment; you can easily skip them if they're present, but you can't choose to watch them if they're not there. I for one choose to watch them >99% of the time, whether the show's complete or not, and regardless of whether or not I've seen it before. Maybe the licensor didn't want them on the overseas versions of Re:Zero?
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RANGIT
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Man, so that explains it. I actually thought Re:ZERO didn't have them in the first place. I frequently rely on episode previews as it helps me find out if the episode is truly over because sometimes there are epilogues. With Re:ZERO I wasn't sure, I actually accidentally started an episode because of the lack of it.
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G S Palmer
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Didn't one of the previews have Emilia doing an impression of Megumin from KonoSuba? (They were both played by the same actress.) If that's not in the release, I'm very disappointing. It pisses me off that they would alter the show, even if it's only a small bit that most people wouldn't even notice. It's the same irritating mentality that Netflix has where they automatically skip the ending theme/credits. |
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MrBonk
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When you know the difference, it's super easy to spot in video. I have several calibrated displays, and that makes this stuff easier to pick out. And things like banding in anime BDs are easy to pick out on any of them. Dark scenes are notorious for this. (Which is usually the only area where it crops up heavily in my limited viewings of Funimation BDs) Sometimes I wonder if the LIcensors send them this stuff purposefully to sabotage the quality just enough for the hardcore fans to only notice. To deter reverse importation, because those are the kinds of fans who would resort to such a thing, and who would also notice the difference. With 50GB available for storage on a BD. This shouldn't happen, there are so many things that can be done to mitigate this stuff for video. When you pay for a BD, you are supposed to be paying for the quality Streaming can't deliver. http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/114423 http://www.screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=114287 And when it's basically as bad as an awful CR encode, then you have issues. |
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Ojamajo LimePie
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The CR screenshot actually looks a little better.
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Mr. sickVisionz
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Did the Japanese release have this as well? Curious to see if it's production of the show related issue or a the licensees messed up issue.
Nice. Boils down to yes: "yeah it's screwed and we may have messed up, but we think it's in our best interest if you take the L on this rather than us." |
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professorwho
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It's a FUNimation fail, the Japanese Blu-ray was flawless. No banding. |
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One-Eye
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So if Switzerland pays $6.80 for a Big Mac while the U.S. pays $5.30 and Japan pays $3.40 then that means the U.S. should get 20% less beef in their burger and Japan 50% less because they aren't paying the same prices or everyone should pay the same price as the Swiss for their Big Mac? Hollywood live-action movies are also more expensive in Japan than the U.S., how is that fair to the Japanese? Why don't Americans pay say $50 for a Hollywood BD and pay $80 for UHD? Markets are different. Purchasing power and what consumers value is different. Also Japan is now making money from licensing for streaming and home video sales. This means they have more than one revenue stream coming in for their product when in the past they didn't. How about the increase in licensing costs? So I'm not sure its accurate to suggest that the Japanese are only getting a piece of that 20% and therefore its ok to get less quality. I'm sympathetic to the Japanese concern over reverse-importation and I'm ok with things like burned in subs and other methods to mitigate reverse-imports. However, I don't buy BDs to get "half as good" video and audio quality, we might as well go back to DVDs then. It certainly doesn't want to make me buy their product if it is deficient, which means they would be losing a buying customer. I get annoyed enough when Hollywood takes short cuts with their BDs. |
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professorwho
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Guys, there is banding in almost every single shot. This might be the worst looking Blu-ray I've ever seem. https://imgur.com/a/Q6X6dbm If those screenshots of the BD scare you off, avoid it like the plague. FUNimation should be ashamed of themselves, this is unacceptable and needs to be addressed by an acknowledgement of how terrible it is. |
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One-Eye
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@professorwho
? I agree this release is not worth me paying for. My response to Zalis116 was primarily about his statement: "But do we really have the right to expect the same quality Japanese customers get, when we're paying so much less? When we're paying 20% of the JP prices, even getting something half as good means we come out ahead." Which I don't agree with. I was pointing out that just because prices are higher in some regions doesn't mean that a product should be of lesser quality and reverse importation fears which he suggested as a possibility still doesn't justify crippling a product (if that's what was done). |
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professorwho
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I understand. I agree, I simply wanted to post screencaps and decided to do it by quoting. |
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DangerMouse
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This. I think they do a very good job overall. Hopefully they'll do a replacement for these like they have for some other titles.
Agreed, I like ep previews a lot too. |
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