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all-tsun-and-no-dere
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This actually caught my attention, because I have a degree in linguistics and Japanese so this is pretty much my field. I wasn't familiar with the Shizuoka dialect (although I do speak Kansai-ben better than I speak standard after living in Himeji for two years), so I decided to look it up. It didn't sound right to me that a character would end every sentence with the same verb form and have it be perfectly natural, regardless of dialect. Per the wikipedia description:
So, while it is grammatical, she's basically expressing uncertainty in every sentence! It's like ending every sentence in English with, "...I think." While "vocal tic" may not be the most accurate descriptor, it's certainly exaggerated and I think I am justified in finding in irritating, because god knows I'd be annoyed by it in English too. It's a gimmick, plain and simple. Furthermore, even if it were just the Shizuoka dialect itself that I found annoying, calling someone racist for not liking a dialect that isn't racialized is absurd bad faith on its face. Classist? Arguably, though I repeat, I do not have an issue with the dialect itself. But not racist, unless there is a specific racial minority population in Shizuoka it's associated with. And yeah, I thought Kobayashi's performance was bad. I speak enough Japanese and have spent enough time with real Japanese people that I can spot bad acting in the language, unlike most English-speaking fans. |
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Nate148
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And before someone goes nuts thinking a performance is bad is not saying that the voice actress is a bad person or that your bad for liking it.
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Hiroki not Takuya
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Not shocked but seemed very out of place and hardly a "joke". I can't think of a good reason to hint at lesbian tendencies for the princess that way, if that was what was going on, only to dismiss it the next moment. However, I wondered if this was part of the "horny" elements the author put in the story? |
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Daerian
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Hopefully.
I mean, light yuri subtext clearly exists and people mentioning that aren't anywhere near "very vocal minority". If anything, it's other way around - people who deny this light yuri subtext exists in series are very vocal and very small minority. |
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Princess_Irene
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Yes, I ought to have said "pseudo-Elizabethan," but I got a little edit-happy when I decided to excise my language rant. Mostly what I like about the manga language is the use of the second person informal (thee/thou), which I think adds nuance that modern second person usage can't always capture. |
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Key
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Oh, there were more sexual references than just the "rape joke;" listen closely to the princess's conversation with her knights at the very beginning. Ariel is no blushing innocent. Granted, this could just be part of the franchise's emphasis on not forgetting that Humans are Horny (and a whole debate could be waged on whether that's a deliberate point being made or just prurient interest), but including that at the beginning seems conspicuous enough that the princess's more earthy side could come into play later. And while I agree with Richard that this "episode 0" could have been done as an OVA or a pre-season warm-up, I disagree that it's a problematic way to start the season. It's apparently a direct lead-in to circumstances that will heavily impact the main events, features a character returning to major supporting character status, and resumes the style and tone of the first season. I will agree that the episode saw more animation shortcuts than normal for the franchise, but it's still the best-looking debut (by far!) so far this season. |
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NeverConvex
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I'm surprised there's even a shocked sub-thread here about the 'rape joke' in Mushoku. By the standards of some of the stuff particularly in the early parts of season 1, I felt that scene was barely noticeable.
Separately, thought the Mushoku artwork was fine; no incredible standouts, but not every episode in the original absolutely went wild, and even if it remains at this quality it will be impressive. Ambivalent on the Sylphie episode 0 choice; this is one of those cases where I think a double-length premiere actually would have made sense, to make room for filling in Sylphie's story while also pulling us back into Rudeus's and Eris's stories. |
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Shay Guy
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So she's a Shizuoka version of Chiaki Nanami?  (For my part, if you talk about a character ending things with -zura, I'll inevitably think of Uzura from Princess Tutu.)
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Gina Szanboti
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Zura ja nai! Katsura da! (sorry, but someone had to do it. I'll see myself out now...)
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09jcg
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Put it bluntly, Ariel is a sex fiend. I would even say that moment with silphy wasnt a joke. It was an invitation, and when she saw Silphy wasnt cool with it she backed down and said it's a joke |
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maximilianjenus
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I read this scene differently.
There are a lot pf bisexuality references in the series, i won't elaborate more unleas asked, but there is that context. With that context, i read thia sceen as Ariel trying tp seduce silphie , then stopping when she was sure silphie was uncomfortable. Thats a parallel to her ua8ng silphie as a bodyguard bit then stopping ot when she made aure it waa way top risky , assassins being sent, silphie can now stand on her two feet as the shock from.the disastee has calmed down. Overall i liked it, the trailers helped to refine my expectations, while not as.gpod loomong as the best parts of the first season, ota still a nice looking show, i worried more about them rushing the plot because that is how you ruin this, but the pacing is fine. |
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myfairx
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I thought I was the only one complaining Mushoku drop in quality (relative to the original). after Onimai I hoped they'll ramp up even more in quality department, alas.
BTW just finished level 1 demon ep1 and thank god it look OK. They changed the script to be less risque but overall it's A-OK  . I like the color palette and ED song.
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moozooh
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Yeah, I approve of the script changes in lv1 Maou as well, and it'd be even better if only they had changed that butt close-up to something less gratuitous. Ultimately this is a good series with a fun plot and a lot of heart and charm to its characters, I hope the reviewers stick with it to the end.
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Saeryen
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Horimiya: The Missing Pieces is really good so far! I felt pretty bad for Miyamura and Sengoku, poor guys.
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DamianSalazar
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I get the feeling that Ayaka was supposed to be animated by GoHands, but after GoHands got the plagiarism accusation for Tokyo Babylon and subsequently got dropped from that project that it led to an unamicable split between certain companies within production committee and GoHands.
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