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ultrapostman



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:58 pm Reply with quote
Porcupine wrote:
People who like child porn don't need 'therapy'


Well, some of them do, mainly the ones who actually rape children and/or produce child porn. The thing is, you can't force therapy on pedophiles that've done nothing wrong. That's unconstitutional, and really not very different from how the Church used to forcibly "convert" people that weren't Christian.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:11 pm Reply with quote
BorgmanJayce wrote:

Weren't you living in Singapore or somewhere else, troll-boy?


Yes and if you believe everything that happens in the location text then you're stupider than I thought.

It's not trolling if it's the truth. No one wants you here. We even have laws against you specifically.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:33 pm Reply with quote
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mistress_reebi wrote:


Doesn't seem like a problem to the Aussies on this site:

animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=462534#462534

On;y I have replied to the news article.


Well of course it doesn't seem like a problem, I just said that people who disagree with it probably won't speak up. Please don't make me repeat myself. And yes, I know the article was about Australian law, but I just wanted to say that not every country has the same problems that Australia does (please don't anyone respond and say , "Just because you think it's a problem doesn't make you right." because, I already know that. This is just my opinion.).


ultrapostman pretty much said all that needed to be said on the drawings thing. And really- if you think that the Autralia ANN is a basis for the whole country of Australia you've got another thing coming.

If you look at all of the articles on the frontpage of Austrilia ANN notice something. all of the articles besdies the one you commented on have no comments. Why? Because a lot of the Aussies who post on ANN post on the USA one.

Also,keep in mind, I live in America. So we have different laws. I agree it was wrong of the guy to take it into the country if it wasn't against the law- but I feel that he shouldn't have been prosecuted quite like he was because I'm use to having the freedom to have whatever type of animated porn on me I like. In America. (yeah...that is a YTAS quote)

I know what this article is about and it sucks to be him caught in the situation he was. Especially if he doesn't feel up the kiddes. I'm going to disagree with Aussie law because its different from the laws that I have in my country.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:51 pm Reply with quote
mistress_reebi wrote:
britannicamoore wrote:
Last time I checked drawings were okay with the law..

These drawings aren't okay in Austrailian law

When Singaporeans import non-hentai anime, the merchandise often get damaged in the censorship procedures or even confiscated without a reason (read this thread for more information). Censorship is a law in Singapore; do you support Singaporean anime fans to voice their wish of importing anime without intrusive censorship?

If the answer is "yes," then stop pretending "I'm holier than thou" just because they have different point of views on this Australian law.

If the answer is "no," then I've got nothing else to say, for you can only mindlessly follow what the government tells you to do.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:08 pm Reply with quote
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People who like child porn don't need 'therapy'. It's perfectly fine to like child porn, even real child porn. It's only not okay to produce it (because it's rape) and it's not okay to support the child porn industry (by buying the product). In this case, we are dealing with animated porn in which children MAY be involved (I still have not seen any actual titles named so even this is unproven). There is nothing illegal about producing animated porn or animated child porn, and there SHOULD be nothing illegal about watching animated child porn either. In most countries it is certainly legal. In Australia, it MAY be illegal but even that is not proven as the articles that reported this incident have not given us enough information to prove that it was not just a case where the Australian justice system made a mistake.

If you think people who like child porn need 'therapy', then gays need 'therapy' too. Maybe people who think the Earth is round need 'therapy'. So let's throw them in the corner and kill them by throwing stones at them, or tie them up and burn them up at the stake as heretics, like in the olden days.

Some Hawaiians think that super fat women are beautiful. That's nasty. They are heretics I say. We should throw all the Hawaiians into a corner and stone them to death.

Maybe people who DON'T like child porn need 'therapy'. The people who do like child porn should throw all the stupid normal people into the corner and stone them to death. The only reason this wouldn't work though is that more people don't like child porn than those who do, so if there is a stone-throwing war then the child porn people lose.

There's no right or wrong. It's simply groups of people with different attributes. Some people think the world is flat and some people think the world is round. What happens when people have disagreements? I dunno, I guess that's what the government is for, but governments don't always do a perfect job either (think Saddam Hussein or Hitler).

I think it'd be interesting if a small country openly declared pedophilia, and even real-life child porn and child sex, completely legal in that country. I don't see this as an impossibility at all (considering things that countries have done in the past). I bet if such a country were to exist, people would find that there are more pedophiles in the world than gays.


I just love it when people say there is no such thing as right wrong. Its such a logical fallacy that it would be funny if it wasn't so misguided. Seriously, nothing is right or wrong? Ok, heres a list of things that are neither right or wrong, people just feel differently about them.
Rape.
Murder.
Genocide.
Terorism
Ethnic Cleansing.
Eauthanasia.
So lets not do anything when a race of people is being wiped out because of their skin color or religous beliefs, because its not wrong if your the person doing it. Oh and for the record, to those of you who keep saying there's a difference between pedophilia and child molestation, there isn't. The definition of a pedophile is someone who has sex with children. And if you see nothing wrong with that, you are beyond misguided.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:21 pm Reply with quote
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Oh and for the record, to those of you who keep saying there's a difference between pedophilia and child molestation, there isn't.

Who do you think you are to be capable and qualified to decide that?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:24 pm Reply with quote
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Berserkfury819 wrote:
Oh and for the record, to those of you who keep saying there's a difference between pedophilia and child molestation, there isn't.

Who do you think you are to be capable and qualified to decide that?


Never said I was. But I do happen to have a dictionary. I don't think you read the end of my last post.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:26 pm Reply with quote
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dormcat wrote:
Who do you think you are to be capable and qualified to decide that?

Never said I was. But I do happen to have a dictionary. I don't think you read the end of my last post.

Title, publisher and edition information, please.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:33 pm Reply with quote
Berserkfury819 wrote:
The definition of a pedophile is someone who has sex with children. And if you see nothing wrong with that, you are beyond misguided.


I've never seen someone warp a definition to fit their arguement so bluntly. I've checked three dictonaries in my house and none of them say that.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:41 pm Reply with quote
Berserkfury819 wrote:
The definition of a pedophile is someone who has sex with children.


No. A pedophile is someone that is sexually attracted to children, they don't neccessarily have sex with them. If you disagree, then by all means just define "A sexual attraction to minors".

p.s Don't put pedophilia, because your previous definition of pedophile would imply that pedophilia is "The nature of having sex with children" or some other nonsense, but this discussion hinges on people that are sexually attracted to children, but do not engage in sex with children.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:44 pm Reply with quote
ultrapostman wrote:
Berserkfury819 wrote:
The definition of a pedophile is someone who has sex with children.


No. A pedophile is someone that is sexually attracted to children, they don't neccessarily have sex with them. If you disagree, then by all means just define "A sexual attraction to minors".

Right:

Oxford American Dictionaries wrote:
pedophile |ˈpedəˌfīl| ( Brit. paedophile)
noun
a person who is sexually attracted to children.


Molestation is the actual assault of someone.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:48 pm Reply with quote
mistress_reebi wrote:

Maybe, instead of letting them jerk off to child porn how about help them to not look at children in a sexual way?


Maybe they can find a cure for homosexuality while they are at it. Rolling Eyes

Berserkfury819 wrote:
dormcat wrote:
Berserkfury819 wrote:
Oh and for the record, to those of you who keep saying there's a difference between pedophilia and child molestation, there isn't.

Who do you think you are to be capable and qualified to decide that?


Never said I was. But I do happen to have a dictionary. I don't think you read the end of my last post.


If you have a dictionary, you may want to try actually reading the entries for pedophilia and child molestation. One is a sexual attraction, one is an act. There is a big difference.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:23 pm Reply with quote
HitokiriShadow wrote:
mistress_reebi wrote:

Maybe, instead of letting them jerk off to child porn how about help them to not look at children in a sexual way?


Maybe they can find a cure for homosexuality while they are at it. Rolling Eyes

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There isn't anything wrong with men liking other men; however, there is something wrong with adults liking children in a sexual way.


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If you look at all of the articles on the frontpage of Austrilia ANN notice something. all of the articles besdies the one you commented on have no comments. Why? Because a lot of the Aussies who post on ANN post on the USA one.

Also,keep in mind, I live in America. So we have different laws. I agree it was wrong of the guy to take it into the country if it wasn't against the law- but I feel that he shouldn't have been prosecuted quite like he was because I'm use to having the freedom to have whatever type of animated porn on me I like. In America. (yeah...that is a YTAS quote)


Still, if it was such a heated debate in Austrailia wouldn't Aussies put in their two cents? Isn't Ero guro unavaiable in the US?

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I just love it when people say there is no such thing as right wrong. Its such a logical fallacy that it would be funny if it wasn't so misguided. Seriously, nothing is right or wrong? Ok, heres a list of things that are neither right or wrong, people just feel differently about them.
Rape.
Murder.
Genocide.
Terorism
Ethnic Cleansing.
Eauthanasia.
So lets not do anything when a race of people is being wiped out because of their skin color or religous beliefs, because its not wrong if your the person doing it.


Agreed, although Ethnic Cleansing is the same as genocide. (Forgot female genital multiation. Now that is wrong!) There is right and wrong in this world. There may be a difference in ethics, but is it alright to see a child as a sexual object? Hell, no. They are children who haven't matured enought for sex. We have too many Michael Jacksons and R Kelly's in this world. Even if loli-hentai is drawn it's still child pornography and children are viewed as sexual objects. Society doesn't need to promote and encourage child pornography, drawn or real.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:32 pm Reply with quote
mistress_reebi wrote:

There isn't anything wrong with men liking other men; however, there is something wrong with adults liking children in a sexual way.


Why? I mean aside from arbitrary decisions by humans. Biologically, what's the difference? Neither one can result in procreation (though ephebophilia could), so both are a biological aberration (or not hardwired to begin with and is a individual decision, consciously or subconsciously, or influenced by their surroundings). How is one right and the other not? "Age of consent" is an arbitrary human creation and only has a legal meaning and little in terms of morality. It's intended to protect 'minors' (another human creation and a recent one at that) even if they are biologically (and perhaps, on a case by case basis, mentally and emotionally) ready to procreate. Clearly, nature/God decided that a much younger age was fine, while humans continue with their arbitrary lines of when sex becomes okay, individual circumstances be damned
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:37 pm Reply with quote
It’s really sad that people would actually need to look in a dictionary to realize that the term pedophile and child molester are not interchangeable. I believe the main reason why people have this misconception is in large part do to mass media and television. When people watch the news or tv the two terms are always used to refer to the same thing. So it’s really no wonder people are miss informed when it comes to the true meaning of these words. There is also the fact that this sort of thing is so taboo in society that people will often go out of their way to saty uninformed, which only makes the problem worse.
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