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NonoAsumy
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I think this most beautiful short movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlb9TCLJdwQ belongs in this thread. |
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Anymouse
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Interesting movie, but probably not relevant to this.
I am not disputing the fact that the man lied to the girl. What I am disputing is how that changes the moral significance of the girls actions. From the article:
Doesn't sound very coerced on her part. |
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citizenplain
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Um, saying that I enjoy putting words in people's mouths is, in fact, putting words in my mouth That aside, you appear by your arguments to believe the girl is at somehow fault here, which disturbing and in fact wrong. He did not only lie to, but also raped a child. She didn't volunteer to be sexually abused. Doesn't sound coerced? Did you miss the part of the headline where it says "man pleads guilty to coercing girl he met at anime con"? Are you choosing to ignore that? By irrelevantly questioning the victim's morality you are displaying tacit sympathy for an admitted rapist. |
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dizzywulf
Posts: 102 Location: Wakayama, Japan |
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What reality do you live in where everyone always assumes the woman is innocent? It's always: What was she wearing? How much make-up did she have on? Has she ever had a boyfriend before? How hard did she fight back? Well she shouldn't have been: at that party/drinking/ drinking that much/walking in that area/out at night/out during the day/ by herself/ with those friends/on a date/such a slut/in such a crowded area/ in such an isolated area/wearing those shoes/ Because everyone knows that guys can't control themselves and doing any of the above means that she probably wanted to seduce him and she's just saying rape because she doesn't want to be labeled the slut she is and she wanted to ruin him. That is what society says. Isn't it evident from this very thread that many people think that the girl shared some part of the blame? She doesn't. She is a victim. The only one at fault is the rapist. Misogyny runs very deep in this culture. I wish I lived in your imaginary reality. |
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Mike Toole
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Mohawk52
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hikaricore
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If you would be so kind as to not quote me out of context and or truncate said quotes. Thanks. |
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Anymouse
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Don't worry, the thought police have their ways of making you talk. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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Mike didn't quote you wildly out of context. That's the argument you made, and have been making the entire time. If the argument you're presenting requires 8000 words of backpedaling, rewording and so-called "nuance" to not make it sound like you're defending a rapist and blaming his victim, you may not want to be making that argument in the first place. While I know some people are naturally wired to always play devil's advocate or try and "blow your mind" with their alterna-logic, it isn't worth it to do the "well if you think about it this way" argument thing in cases like these because it is virtually impossible to not come across as though you're siding with the rapist on this. Common sense dictates that this isn't really an argument worth having in the first place and you're not going to come out on the other side looking like the good guy if you walk down the "well maybe she's to blame too!" road for even a second, even hypothetically, even if you're just playing games or trolling or whatever. Not worth it. And I don't know why any of you think it is. This thread makes me sad. |
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slickwolfie
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I couldn't have said it better myself. Slick |
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Maur
Posts: 55 Location: SLC - Not Quite NYC |
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What I don't understand in all this is:
Wait, so she was okay with having sex with a guy over twice her age until she found out he was a pedophile? |
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Surrender Artist
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Yes, just like they railroad students into cars with its immoral driver's education classes.
Thirded. I'm suddenly really glad that I bought a bottle of scotch tonight. |
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Anymouse
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slickwolfie
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Would it be any different if this girl was 8 years old and met someone on facebook, conversed and willingly had sexual relations with this guy? Would you still place any blame the child? Slick |
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Anymouse
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If the girl had not had puberty, she could not possibly have made a willing choice. There are very few 8 year olds who have. The average age of actual puberty is 12 and 1/2.
But if an 8 year old had a strange medical condition and looked 13 then I think she could share some blame. The following shows what a 9 year old is capable of. The girl below is the same age as me. I was still a little boy. Young Healthy Mother Last edited by Anymouse on Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:39 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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