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Never gonna understand why type moon fans get so upset about people preferring /Zero [...]

They should just save themselves and all of the BS and say to exploit money off of fanatics cause anybody who can see the forest for the trees knows it by now.

When nobody got upset.

Never gonna understand why type moon fans get so upset about people preferring /Zero.

also /zero Rider is the best thing in the entire Fateverse so hey, maybe I might actually bother with /GO too. Key word being maybe because I dont really have the time atm for more timesinks. 8-)

And then we have guys like Alabaster Spectrum, coming to add fuel to the shitposting just for the sake of it..

I never really cared for the story until Urobuchi was confirmed for writing this new scenario. I have nothing against F/SN or Nasu but I always thought Zero was the best thing that came out of the franchise and it's my personal favorite.

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It really makes me lose respect for people like Nasu when they try and tell us that it's all really great and a fully legit entry and how everyone should consider it as such and enjoy the game, when all it is doing is exploiting the fanbase and making as much money off of them as it can.

It really makes me lose respect for people like Nasu when they try and tell us that it's all really great and a fully legit entry and how everyone should consider it as such and enjoy the game, when all it is doing is exploiting the fanbase and making as much money off of them as it can. It's clear that the success of the game and how much it makes isn't really going back into the game to improve it - animations are often bad, servants are unbalanced largely and the servers are honestly terrible - you'd think they would be able to afford servers many times better than what they use given what it makes, but that would mean less profits.

Renasviel wrote:

It really makes me lose respect for people like Nasu when they try and tell us that it's all really great and a fully legit entry and how everyone should consider it as such and enjoy the game, when all it is doing is exploiting the fanbase and making as much money off of them as it can.

You mean, it's a business. No, I'm not dismissing the exploitation of obsessive fanboys, which is a moral grey area closer to the dark side, but no one is forcing anyone to pay money.

Renasviel wrote:

It really makes me lose respect for people like Nasu when they try and tell us that it's all really great and a fully legit entry and how everyone should consider it as such and enjoy the game, when all it is doing is exploiting the fanbase and making as much money off of them as it can. It's clear that the success of the game and how much it makes isn't really going back into the game to improve it - animations are often bad, servants are unbalanced largely and the servers are honestly terrible - you'd think they would be able to afford servers many times better than what they use given what it makes, but that would mean less profits.

You probably missed how much the server improved or how much better the animation is, just try comparing Saber and Gilgamesh old vs. new animation.

and the game is made that you can play without paying anything unless you want a fictional Waifu or something you don't need to pay and you can complete the game which focus more on the story anyway.

jl07045 wrote:

Renasviel wrote: It really makes me lose respect for people like Nasu when they try and tell us that it's all really great and a fully legit entry and how everyone should consider it as such and enjoy the game, when all it is doing is exploiting the fanbase and making as much money off of them as it can. You mean, it's a business. No, I'm not dismissing the exploitation of obsessive fanboys, which is a moral grey area closer to the dark side, but no one is forcing anyone to pay money.

Sure, but not all businesses are quite as cynical with it. No one is forcing it, sure, but given that the main draw of the game is summoning servants, if it is going to be considered a full entry into Fate/ it needs to be held to those standards, and I find it hard to see how anyone can say Grand Orders meets those. If this is the level of quality we are to expect from "legit Fate/ entries" now, then frankly, I'm concerned.

Dab1za9 wrote:

Renasviel wrote: It really makes me lose respect for people like Nasu when they try and tell us that it's all really great and a fully legit entry and how everyone should consider it as such and enjoy the game, when all it is doing is exploiting the fanbase and making as much money off of them as it can. It's clear that the success of the game and how much it makes isn't really going back into the game to improve it - animations are often bad, servants are unbalanced largely and the servers are honestly terrible - you'd think they would be able to afford servers many times better than what they use given what it makes, but that would mean less profits. You probably missed how much the server improved or how much better the animation is, just try comparing Saber and Gilgamesh old vs. new animation. and the game is made that you can play without paying anything unless you want a fictional Waifu or something you don't need to pay and you can complete the game which focus more on the story anyway.

Not at all. I've been playing for a while now, on and off, over the period of a few months. Only lately more consistently of course, but still. However, you are pointing to two Servants which admittedly look better - the vast majority still look bad. 2 good ones don't make the whole thing look good. In fact, it makes the others look worse.

Whether the game is made so that you can win with 3*'s or not is irrelevant, a lot of fan favourite servants are effectively locked behind steep paywalls and that isn't good. What also isn't good is how summoning servants is probably the main aspect, and it is so tedious it is hardly worth it. Completing the whole story and all the free quests to this point will get you enough quartz for, at best, a low-fairly low chance at getting one of the 5*, one of whom is often the most popular character in the entire Type Moon verse - Arturia. That's bad.

and hey the money also goes to stuff like Fate/Extella and Fate/Extra anime too.

Sure, but not all businesses are quite as cynical with it. No one is forcing it, sure, but given that the main draw of the game is summoning servants, if it is going to be considered a full entry into Fate/ it needs to be held to those standards, and I find it hard to see how anyone can say Grand Orders meets those. If this is the level of quality we are to expect from "legit Fate/ entries" now, then frankly, I'm concerned.

Renasviel wrote:

jl07045 wrote: Renasviel wrote: It really makes me lose respect for people like Nasu when they try and tell us that it's all really great and a fully legit entry and how everyone should consider it as such and enjoy the game, when all it is doing is exploiting the fanbase and making as much money off of them as it can. You mean, it's a business. No, I'm not dismissing the exploitation of obsessive fanboys, which is a moral grey area closer to the dark side, but no one is forcing anyone to pay money. Sure, but not all businesses are quite as cynical with it. No one is forcing it, sure, but given that the main draw of the game is summoning servants, if it is going to be considered a full entry into Fate/ it needs to be held to those standards, and I find it hard to see how anyone can say Grand Orders meets those. If this is the level of quality we are to expect from "legit Fate/ entries" now, then frankly, I'm concerned. Dab1za9 wrote: Renasviel wrote: It really makes me lose respect for people like Nasu when they try and tell us that it's all really great and a fully legit entry and how everyone should consider it as such and enjoy the game, when all it is doing is exploiting the fanbase and making as much money off of them as it can. It's clear that the success of the game and how much it makes isn't really going back into the game to improve it - animations are often bad, servants are unbalanced largely and the servers are honestly terrible - you'd think they would be able to afford servers many times better than what they use given what it makes, but that would mean less profits. You probably missed how much the server improved or how much better the animation is, just try comparing Saber and Gilgamesh old vs. new animation. and the game is made that you can play without paying anything unless you want a fictional Waifu or something you don't need to pay and you can complete the game which focus more on the story anyway. Not at all. I've been playing for a while now, on and off, over the period of a few months. Only lately more consistently of course, but still. However, you are pointing to two Servants which admittedly look better - the vast majority still look bad. 2 good ones don't make the whole thing look good. In fact, it makes the others look worse. Whether the game is made so that you can win with 3*'s or not is irrelevant, a lot of fan favourite servants are effectively locked behind steep paywalls and that isn't good. What also isn't good is how summoning servants is probably the main aspect, and it is so tedious it is hardly worth it. Completing the whole story and all the free quests to this point will get you enough quartz for, at best, a low-fairly low chance at getting one of the 5*, one of whom is often the most popular character in the entire Type Moon verse - Arturia. That's bad.

Every new servant have a really good animation and Gil and Saber are probably the first step to upgrading the old servant and that show where the money goes to.

also Can you read the story ?

and the story isn't translated at all, but going by the fan translations done so far it's nothing special either.

if you are concerned about the quality of a game you can't understand then i feel sorry for you,

and about Arturia there was 2 version of her for free and actually various free servants as well,

Nasu is talking about how a legit Fate/ game it is by the story which he personally supervise and edit

and most people playing it admit how fun the story is,

If you want to pay money to get a character then sure go ahead but the game is again fully playable without any money(i didn't pay anything and don't intend to) and hey the money also goes to stuff like Fate/Extella and Fate/Extra anime too.

championferret wrote:

Never gonna understand why type moon fans get so upset about people preferring /Zero.

It probably stems in large part from a subset of Zero viewers who saw Zero, went "This is incredible!", and promptly dismissed FSN as, to quote Gigguk, "Zero's retarded little brother." Fan defensiveness from a subset of viewers who often misunderstood Zero, thought that being Kiritsugu was a great thing, and cursed Shirou for being 'a shitty high school harem protagonist who doesn't kill people like his dad' and so on.

Then all Zero fans get conflated with the few who attacked FSN, and cue shitstorm. Similar process with the few highly aggressive TM fans attacking detractors and getting us all labeled as socially regressive crackpots.

As for my opinion on the two, Zero is more consistent while FSN has higher heights, and I truly enjoyed them both.

championferret wrote:

also /zero Rider is the best thing in the entire Fateverse so hey, maybe I might actually bother with /GO too. Key word being maybe because I dont really have the time atm for more timesinks.

Well, you have a week to amass quartz if you do. I'll be holding off on rolling for him, but if the people who want him get him, that's great.