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RangerDanger
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Responding to people criticizing a series for the problems it contained simply with an eye-roll doesn’t make the people’s complaints any less valid and it may actually hurt your stance on it if anything else. If you can overlook the problems, that’s fine. Others can’t, so calling them haters over that seems a bit immature and part of your example isn’t that great considering that LotL is much less, if any, divisive over its content than Kado. The other people’s posts before you could have definitely used some work, but simply writing off the series’ problems as “Other people are being haters” with an eye-roll does not make you look favorable in this community and it will not help some in taking you seriously. (What’s also not helping is you framing some of your thoughts on it as if it was fact when it’s not.) |
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v1cious
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The fact that they did this sounds like they knew those last episodes were garbage. I wonder if there was kind of executive meddling involved? |
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nDroae
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Wait, what does "the Animation category of its 71st MPTE Awards" actually mean? Does it mean Best Animated Television Series, or Best Animation? Those are two very different things. I assumed the latter, because it's a CG show being recognized by an "Engineering Society." If it's actually Best Animated Television Series, that's INSANE.
If it is Best Animation, how do we know the voters even watched the whole show? Maybe Toei sent out a sizzle reel. I follow Industrial Light & Magic on Facebook, and they've posted the sizzle reels they put together for Oscar voters of their effects work on Transformers, etc. Maybe the Motion Picture and Television Engineering Society of Japan voters also watched a sizzle reel for LotL and went "Eeeeew, that looks weiiiird, I don't like it" in Japanese, and voted for Kado instead. And still assuming it's Best Animation, even if they did watch the show, if they were doing their jobs properly as judges, they should have voted based on the animation without letting the story influence their decision. Though as we all know, Oscar voters are no such unbiased saints.
Or maybe they read the online reaction (I assume it was the same in Japan). |
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v1cious
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Yeah, but that's very specific. If you thought your work was good, wouldn't you stand by it? This seems like more than mere pandering. |
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HoboSoup
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Yes I admittedly could have gone into more detail and posted my criticisms about the series, so I apologize there. I also think people are misunderstanding me, I'm not trying to convince anyone to not like the show. If you like the show that's great and again I respect that your opinion is different than mine. I watched the entire show and felt it had a lot of problems and the reason why I clicked on this article and comments was to see what other people thought, the initial first comment I agreed with and responded with accordingly. Now why would people that didn't enjoy this series click on this article? Well we spent 4-5 hours watching the entire series, we have opinions and various feelings about it as a whole and we spent a good amount of time watching something that ended up being disappointing to us. Which is unfortunate because for me at the very least I thought it had some interesting ideas and a solid start. Admittedly my words towards the series are rather harsh as I found myself disappointed with it and surprised it won an award, but I wouldn't call it "crap". The initial post here by "Donhumberto" that I'm responding to that says how he thinks Land Of The Lustrous is crap seems to be very quick to anger. I don't know how much you watched of that series or read of the manga but simply writing it off as "crap" feels like a one dimensional and rash reaction to really any series. As I said I fully admit to not explaining my thoughts on Kado properly either, but I again I wouldn't say it's crap, simply that it had a bunch of things I didn't personally enjoy and things I found to be wrong with it, despite liking various concepts. I just think the common trend of writing something off as "trash/garbage/shit/crap" is unfortunate. Also "RangerDanger" said in his post Don your approach to responding doesn't work. You come across as hostile and very angry, lashing out at others and you're quick to insult us. You don't ask me what I or anyone else didn't like about the series, instead you assume we're here to be "haters". When in fact I'm here to converse about a series that I thought had potential and I still care enough about it to spend the time engaging in conversation. In closing I'm not sure how my first response angered you Don, but I was being genuine and I didn't want to argue, I honest to god wasn't trying to insult you. I respect that you and other people like Kado and have a different opinion than my own, but I don't appreciate the attitude and hostility in your responses. Let's just end on that I like Land Of Lustrous and you like Kado, we can just say that neither are crap and instead that we simply have different opinions on what we like, so it would be best to shake hands and move on in my opinion. |
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Fenrin
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That's ridiculous, they are being awarded on a certain aspect, not the work as a whole, and should be judged as such. If they excelled over the rest in that aspect then they deserve the award. Now I understand there is contention whether Kado deserves even that (still haven't finished the show), but the plot should have nothing to do with whether it deserves an animation award. |
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kyot
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I feel the same way about the ending episodes doing really controversial and stupid stuff that derails the whole show. It probably hurts more since the premise of the show is interesting, the payoff felt like a disservice to itself and the viewers.
Like going to a french restaurant and enjoying the mood and the fine dining, then getting a Big Mac as the main dish. Personally I didn't hate the ending, but I think it was just lost potential. We were waiting for a cool clash of ideals, but instead we got a Big Mac. If I thought what made KADO deserve an award, it would be the core premise. A serious take on humans meeting a higher being, communicating while in awe, then debating whether to use such power, then the reaction of all humanity. That stuff was great, and felt pretty unique to recent anime shows (funny. Planet With is kinda doing the same thing... with giant robots um..). If you look at it not as the normal anime goer reviewing a show, but just KADO's core premise as a candidate for an award, it makes more sense. And as bad as the ending episodes were, that long spoiler[creating the universe] scene I loved so much. I was so unhappy when they totally cut it out of the movie, though I understand it was probably necessary to keep an average movie length. I'm sure many people may feel differently about that scene, maybe bored, or unnecessary. But I liked it. |
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HoboSoup
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My comparison was mainly personal. Kado and Suicide Squad were both something that I would have liked to finished and felt really good about, as I enjoyed the concept and premise but ultimately didn't enjoy the execution and final product. So both of them winning an award struck a similar note for me. I will say that in terms of makeup for suicide squad that effort was put in even if I don't like the character designs. I don't discredit the work the makeup department did and they specifically probably deserve an award. I think a lot of the tattoo designs and so fourth that in my opinion didn't look very good are the fault of the director "David Ayer". That appears to be his general aesthetic in a lot of his recent projects. |
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Lord Vaultman
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So much hate for such a great sci-fi series. The show didn't go off it's rails it just had a twist that honestly was pretty cool. Which is what makes sci fi so fun to watch when they do things like that
Easily one of the best sci-fi anime of the last couple of years and very deserving of the award. |
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nDroae
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I thought that was cool. And I loved Saraka's backstory.
Early on people were praising the show for being about negotiation rather than fighting, so when it introduced fighting, they felt betrayed. I didn't start watching it until after it was over and the backlash had happened, and I read full spoilers before I started, and I ended up liking it more than most people who got to experience the surprises "unspoiled." Though that was partly because I enjoyed watching a serious show about adults in business suits conducting politics suddenly go spoiler[BOOM! SHE'S A MAGICAL GIRL, BABY!] I love that kind of tonal clash nonsense in anime.
We agree. Personally I think it looked great, incomparably better than stuff like Ajin, though I suppose Land of the Lustrous is a more "justifiable," "artistic" use of CG (excluding the Kado elements, which obviously had to be CG). |
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Baggie_Saiyan
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Apparently you have to be critically acclaimed to win an award especially something as prestigious, super important and holy like the Oscars. |
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donhumberto
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Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks so  Also really glad to see someone mentioning that scene of the creation of the universe. It was just stunningly beautiful (and it was in one of those final episodes).
I apologize if I sounded too harsh on my earlier posts (specially at Hobosoup, whose response was really tactful and nice to read) but it was a combination of not having free time at all (hence the emojis) and feeling quite frustated at the lack of love this series gets around the anime fandom. I mean, it's not like we have 50+ series per year that could be considered as a serious take on sci-fi (we are obvioulsy not talking about isekai or rom-coms here). It's undeniable, wheter you liked it or not, that Kado was a really unique series for the anime medium, so seeing it trashed like it was some run-of-the mill harem series (it's just an example) makes me really angry. You see, I get that the last 3 episodes were not as good as the rest, but they were still pretty damn good. It's pretty much a Death Note scenario (on a much smaller scale, obviously) where a certain character's death made the last string of episodes not as good as the rest (I personally think they were also awesome but that's another story) and therefore made a ton of people overreact and bash the series to no end, when actually those last 12 or so episodes (in the case of Death Note) -or 3 in the case of Kado- were way better than 90 % of the stuff we get every year. |
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RangerDanger
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^You’re treating your opinion as if it was fact again. Where did you even get an arbitrary number such as 90% since I doubt you have watched everything that comes out every year to make such a baseless assumption? Even if it was one of the best, there wouldn’t be as many people saying differently about the series than what you currently are, not to mention it has hardly received much talk surrounding it ever since the series ended. If you really enjoyed the series, than other people’s thoughts on it shouldn’t really get to you and make you so angry, unless you too also had at least some doubt towards what you see in it. If you want to continue doing your habits, that’s your bag, but don’t be surprised if some others will be skeptical of you going forward.
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teferi
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^ This series won the 2015 award for a special episode. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that everyone is wasting their time arguing about Kado's merits as a story. They're evaluating it on completely different standards. |
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Jose Cruz
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Although it's true Kado was a big advance in terms of CGI animation in a TV show I would think of another 2017 show that had an even more impressive CGI visuals: Houseki no Kuni.
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