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Hoppy800
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Textbook corporate tyranny and unrealistic expectations, that sample looked great.
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Joshua Zarate
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The level of detail to the anatomy on display is astounding. (It reminds me of Kentaro Yabuki). It’s very unfortunate to hear this happening to this person and their talent. Erotic content or not, that shouldn’t occur to anyone. I sincerely hope that this person and many others can be able to find much better conditions and companies that will be more than happy to have them work there. Also, I’m glad to see ANN put the suicide warning at the top of the article as there’s a very nice gesture to do.
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Cutiebunny
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Unless the US localization company has totally cheated creators out of funds, the creators are receiving something through the licensing of their manga, doujinshi or eroge. I would be surprised to hear that mangaka like Izumi Matsumoto were robbed by DMP licensing their manga. DMP might be shady AF, but I can't see Matsumoto willingly pledging to sign/draw for their KS without receiving a cent in return. Same goes for SAKIRA, Psyche Delico, etc. Sekai Project also contracted with several Japanese publishers as well, and knowing several people in that company, I have a hard time believing that no one on the Japanese side got paid. I don't support non-Japanese KS projects. I hope Canned Beef does a KS. I'd gladly pledge to support this artist. |
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Ouran High School Dropout
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I'm no fan of hentai, doujinshi or otherwise, and buy very little manga (major lack of shelf space)...but that art is far too good to dismiss. Put that art in the service of a mainstream story, and I'd give it a serious chance!
And the fact that this artist is so low emotionally and professionally saddens and sickens me. I can only hope that the world turns for Canned Beef and all those like them. |
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SWAnimefan
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This is an anime forum so this isn't the place to talk about economics, but Trickle-down economics works. Because it drives opportunity for those who want to improve! Just look at Canned Beef's situation. He was in a very niche job, in a highly exploitative industry, that did not pay well! He was smart to leave when he had the chance! If Canned Beef really is as good as people say (I can't say I had the pleasure of seeing of his works), then he can use that popularity to go Independent and start his own business! He can either continue to draw doujins or perhaps he can evolve and become a Renaissance Artist that shows his skill at drawing the human form! This is why bad situations can create opportunity as you can turn your gifts into your strengths and become wealthy off your own talents! Not wasting away in some corner, waiting for the next pay check. |
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Hellsoldier
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The 1900's called. They want their American Dream back. There's a difference between a Market Economy (what you're alluding to) and trickle-down economics (low taxes on upper-class income and companies of large stature). Second, if the world was all that easy, do you think that there would be large swarms of unemployment in developed countries? There is no reward in poverty. Now, back to the non-economical side of things... Here's to hoping this author gets better. More abuses like these should be denounced in open air. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. It is clear to me that there's a lot of skill here, just from that sample. |
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Set1229
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I may not be a fan of hentai or any other form of smut, but I still feel sad for him not being paid what's needed to get by.
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Stuart Smith
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If you want to support ero artists, there are numerous ways to do so. You can import their works directly, or buy them off sites like DLsite, Toranoana, or Melon Books. Barring that, there's sites like Fantia and Pixiv Fanbox where you can make direct donations. I support my favorite artists on there.
-Stuart Smith |
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Kicksville
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It has been nice to see Pixiv pick up on Patreon's example with their Pixiv Fanbox option. I know Patreon being around has done a fair bit to help certain artists and repair relations with fans overseas.
Nothing excuses the way this author was treated, and even these alternate means of support existing aren't necessarily going to fix people at the top abusing their artists like this. So I hope Canned Beef speaking out makes some kind of difference. |
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TheAnimeRevolutionizer
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I might be a bit on edge from a lot of things, and this statement might have pushed it further, so I'm gonna go ahead and say it mildly: For what I can care about, the trademark faces of anime and manga are already up there on par with classical artwork and historically significant human achievement because the "modern artsy fartsy" crowd are too busy huffing South Park styled Smug in "inclusive shut door discussions" to care about public appreciation for art, and for everything that anime has done historically for sequential art as a whole, including telling off the crowds upon crowds of sequential art hating drones that a medium can do anything it wants with fullest sincerity and integrity behind it. As they say, "that which we do not have is of little value." Say what you will, but I appreciate the art form and style that tells us stories encompassing the human condition and championing good over evil, or to even just being ribald and decadent, than an exhibit of absolute $@%#ing NOTHING at the NYC Museum of Art. Those faces are symbolic of going against the tyranny of the majority and that artistic expression will always dare to find a way in and topple the opposition. I may have been tooting my own horn back there with pride, but nothing against you though. No hard feelings? Last edited by TheAnimeRevolutionizer on Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:39 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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LagannImpact
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My bad. That wasn't my intention. I was merely suggesting that perhaps a hypothetical fan has a limited budget and decided to support an artist directly through a platform such as Fakku rather than supporting the official release. It's just plain cruel that companies treat artists like this. What's interesting is that Netflix actually seems to be paying its original productions' artists better and giving them more "wiggle" room on projects, not such a tight schedule. But that was true 2 years ago and may no longer be true now. While there might not be much room to go independent with anime, it seems like there should be with manga. Perhaps Canned Beef should go off on his own with his own app? |
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DangerMouse
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Totally agree. |
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ShironoKuro
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EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY! This post right here is art! This lays down the foundation of explaining the masterful and ethereal detail of the Japanese face of anime and manga! I thank you good sir for being earnest and honourable! For once I have finally found someone who is a in depth to understanding and relating the human condition and meaningful life into anime and manga, and is correct about the so called 'anime face' (why people simplify to labels? The face is beautiful). Most cant understand it is such an important an critical style of art and story. More than half of people these days cant grapple the complex and complicated meaning through the art and goodwill of anime and manga. I was so smitten by what you wrote, that in my head I intrinsically thought "I want to be your friend." Funny, but thank you. |
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Fireminer
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I can't say that I know anything about the Japanese doujinshi market, but from all the things I've heard about my country's publishing industry, it could really get down to personal relationship - It is almost always the relatives or friends whose books got the better deals, while publishing houses exploit legal loopholes, or even pressed the authors to sign unfair contracts (mind you, ebook is not widely-used in my country, and fewer still attempted self-publishing.)
Also, someone here mentioned about trickle-down economy creating more opportunities. Even if trickle-down economy is linked to this artist's case, that wouldn't be a boon as you said. I even fear for the doujishi scene -what you called "niche market"- dying of executives treating employees like dirt. And when it dies (or stops growing), there will be a whole lot of opportunities being lost. |
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Usagi-kun
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The details in his posted drawing are incredible. Artistic people are often victims of emotional turmoil, and I can see how working in this environment hurts someone emotionally and physically. I hope this person does not give up--both as an artist and a worthwhile human being. Virtual hugs to anyone else who has struggled in a similar or dissimilar manner as well.
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