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Zac
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"Witch hunt" has become the most overused and obnoxious catchphrase I've heard in a while. A company attempting to protect its copyright is not a "witch hunt".
Like 90 percent of what you say on this forum is YOU CAN'T STOP ME, I LOVE FANSUBS!. I have to ask, since you seem pretty militant about it, what if you were actually prosecuted and fined for it? Would you stop then? |
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Xanas
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I can only speak for myself, but if they actually fined me I'd just stop buying from them entirely and would choose other things to do (provided I didn't just find ways to be much more secretive about it). If they threw me in jail then they'd be screwing society out of 24k a year. I'd sure think that was awfully smart of them. I think I'd laugh at the irony honestly.
I'll agree with you that "witch hunt" is a severe way to describe the situation as it stands now, but as things progress I think you'll find more and more p2p technology using encryption (already happening) and tracking users a bit more difficult. If the companies continue to try to "protect their copyright" it'll require more effort on their part (meaning more $) and more laws to allow them to snoop further and get more out of ISP's, etc. The people who have something to gain from this war over copyright are lawyers, developers of DRM, and lobbyists. Everyone else is going to get screwed either in $ or in freedoms. The likelihood that artists/authors will make more money from these laws is very likely 0. |
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Fiction Alchemist
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hikura
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I will agree with you on one thing.Illegal downloads will not stop.But when you get heavily fined and/or jailed enjoy your stance on it. I and society constantly hear people like yourself say the same thing but when you get caught society never stops hearing people like yourself stop complaining that you were not really doing anything wrong.If you made a choice in life you have to live with that choice(s).Just like people who speed.They always complain they are not doing anything wrong and the police should be doing their jobs and catching the real criminals.If you break a law no matter how minor you still broke the law. |
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Fiction Alchemist
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hikura
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EDIT:Never mind on my post(this one) lol. Last edited by hikura on Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:02 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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ichido reichan
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!@!
"enforcing the copyright law...." HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Piracy has come for like 30 years.... and now this HAHAHAHAHA no a chance in ***** |
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calawain
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Don't get too distraught over this. With the hostility most US courts look at foreign laws with, the relatively small size/resources of most anime copyright holding companies, and the lack of success the RIAA has been able to achieve as a hugely powerful American company with nearly unlimited resources and influence, you shouldn't be looking in the mail for a notice of suit because you downloaded a fansub.
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Paploo
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I'm pretty sure illegally posted anime episodes fall under "illegal under Japanese copyright law" This should affect fansubs, as they often rely on Japanese fans bootlegging dvd's and TV broadcasts- something which japanese companies can now fine downloaders for. In terms of making fansubs go away, it all depends on how seriously japanese companies take this.... ones who are more serious then others will ensure their series aren't shared. People have been sent prison for bootlegging anime and manga online in Japan, and this is going to make it easier for them to take on people who do this..... It's a good day for artist's rights 
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calawain
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I fail to see how punishing downloaders affects those that upload raws for fansubbers to use. Uploading raws is already illegal, this law doesn't change anything in that regard. |
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Paploo
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But the more people buy of a given anime genre, the more likely other anime in that genre are to be licensed........ given companies do take risks with Shojo anime [and have often benefitted from it, so they've kept licensing more], I could actually see someone, like VIZ, Funi or even ADV [they're releasing Wallflower] taking a chance with it. But if people don't support shojo, well, we won't get more shojo 
And even if it takes ages and ages for something to come over, there's always buying the R2's [a little more costly at 30-50/dvd, but still does the job], or importing from other regions/languages [the R1 french/japanese language from Imavision Rose of Versailles DVD boxsets are LOADS cheaper then the R2's] Last edited by Paploo on Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:12 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Paploo
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It takes two to tango. And downloaders ofter share via P2P software, or send it off to other downloaders- like say, people in the US, and other countries. If you clean up the mess at home, it won't escape the kitchen. Japan's a smaller market, and it's a lot cheaper for them to take the downloaders there to court- it'll be hard to get access to fansubs if they've shut down the sites in Japan that enable domestic downloading to exist. It'll be interesting to see how this affects the bootlegging community here. |
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Roy9076
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Great news! I only hope that this whole issue passes through with flying colors!
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CCSYueh
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You think anyone's worried about your 24k? I think Martha Stewart makes a little more than that-didn't stop society from locking her up. Locking lawbreakers up is supposed to teach them to respect the laws of society (not here to argue whether it does or doesn't. I actually agree with Robert Bloch's line about Capital Punishment--no, it doesn't work as a deterrant, but these people have shown they don't want to abide by society's laws, so there is no place for them) No one is particularly worried about the criminal's contribution to society as much as preventing the crime from being committed again--protecting the victims. The punishment is supposed to fit the crime & be severe enough the criminal won't re-offend. If the criminal re-offends, then society looks at removing the criminal (longer & longer prison stays, capital punishment) By your argument, very few people would be locked up for the loss of their income to the economy. zrdb wrote: I download fansubs and nothing you can say or do will stop me-ever. it's spiel. speill would be said spile (like nein is pronounced 9) It's German-to play as I recall. Never say never. You might actually find your conscience someday. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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At most I think uploaders and downloaders - unless they were so excessive as to create a scenario where a fine simply isn't punishment enough - would suffer some heavy fines. Most states don't have jail space for things like this. |
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(I think I should get that Japanese class sometime soon, yeah?) 
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