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grgspunk
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So what this guy is trying to say is, if an anime title has been licensed for release in the R1 region, fansubs can exist as long as the R1 release is only available in the edited format? Good enough for me. That'll motivate companies to quit editing anime titles, such as with Funimation and Shin-chan.
I kinda hope this will also apply to manga titles and scanlations. If it does, this can force companies like Viz Media to get their shit straight by ceasing their editing practices. Last edited by grgspunk on Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:23 am; edited 2 times in total |
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Daimao Raki
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On the point about Shin-chan, from what I understand most of the jokes don't translate or require knowledge of Japanese culture. While I don't agree with what they are doing, that's all they can do to make the show profitable. Funi could and should release the Original Japanese version of the show in the future. |
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CorneredAngel
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But that's just what he's saying: Something that's illegal can be made legal. What he proposes is utterly unrealistic...but and not likely to ever be implemented, but from a purely judicial point of view, it makes sense. If there is anyone who would be robbed under what he is proposing, it's American companies that would be required to produce both edited and unedited versions of any anime (or foreign movie in general). |
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wilson_x1999
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He actually got all his Law books from torrents 
which is something that I'd do if I was still in college. |
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grgspunk
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Edits are still edits either way. Besides, that's kinda the reasoning that all localization companies use when they edit their titles... If they have to make edits on TV, then I can agree then they'd better damn well produce an uncut DVD version. Otherwise, they should just find another series that actually does appeal to a western audience without the need for making edits. |
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Kireek
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How to open a can of worms
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james039
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Here's a concept, why not treat heavily edited anime in North America as a different product? That way, the law would treat a fansubbed or unedited release by another group as though the property simply hadn't been licensed by anyone. That way, you don't legalize the infringement, but it prevents an entity like 4Kids from suing a fansub group, since the show 4Kids produced is legally treated as a 'different' property.
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mechayakuza
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I love how people just say anything when they don't know what they're talking about. I know Josh (he's originally from Miami) and heard him talk about his desire to write this paper years ago when he went off to law school. Here's something you two might find shocking, but yes, he is an anime fan, knows about fansubs, and actually buys anime DVDs. But I guess facts shouldn't get in the way of uninformed internets commentary, right? |
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doctordoom85
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So that new ruling would affect Shaman King, Yu-Gi-Oh, Blue Dragon, and..................and.................
(remember, you can't say OP or Cardcaptor Sakura anymore, thanks to Funi and Geneon) Seriously, edited anime makes up such a tiny portion of the DVD market, it's barely worth mentioning nowadays. Now if it were manga, that'd be a little more understandable since edits are more frequent (though sometimes still blown out of proportion by fans, good grief, Viz edited ONE scene from the entirety of the FMA manga , that's hardly anything to stop the presses about), but anime? Maybe the guy who wrote the article belongs to that odd group of people who assume if it's edited for TV then it must be edited for DVD. One time, I literally had to shove a Naruto boxset in front of one guy's face before he could figure out that the DVDs were unedited. What a noob. |
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jsevakis
Former ANN Editor in Chief
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While I appreciate the sentiment of this otaku-who-got-into-law-school, he's missing one gigantic piece of the puzzle: the changes to hack-n-slash dubs are AUTHORIZED BY THE LICENSOR. ALWAYS. The licensor represents the program's producer and is, in the eyes of the law, its creator. Never mind opening up a loophole in copyright protection for vigilante protection of work in no danger of being "lost to time" is something any court would strike down immediately. This whole thing reads like the sort of thing a college student, high on his new teachings, writes with great passion but nary a clue as to how ridiculous their ideas are in the real world.
I'm kind of incredulous that this got published (though I don't know the criteria of this law journal), and that some people on this board are taking it seriously. Last edited by jsevakis on Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:44 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Whatocean
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What this idiot law student is lobbying for is the downfall of the anime industry.
What him and many others don't realize is that a fansub is animated property distributed for free. That is no money is going back to the creator. If he would realize that fact, or even took a freaking economics class, he'd see that if the creators don't get paid, they'll be less inclined to create more anime for us! This person is either selfish, naive, or both. So mainstream anime that comes out is heavily edited. Boo-hoo. If you're a true fan, you'd get off your lazy ass and learn Japanese like I did. If you're so disenchanted by the American editing job, buy it from Japan in its raw form. But don't go stealing these people's honest work! They don't get paid enough as it is! |
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omoikane
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Just gone through the article.
(Must be fun spading this with the rest of his law review LOL...) It's a decent paper aimed to educate non-fans in a very narrow niche of copyright law alongside with a curiosity in the growing number of wrinkles as copyright law applies to the broad spectrum of real life problems. As academic papers go, it does an okay job to present a selection of sources for further examination. It's quite... ham... when it comes to explaining some of the more obvious things, as it tries to cover ground behind the advantage of VARA from a commercial perspective, and the motivation for such mutilation in the first place. Not enough study on the Japanese side of the industry for my liking, anyways. I suppose that's at least a sensible critique instead of complaining about his airing of fanboyism, perhaps unprofessionally for a publication of this kind. He cites to Litman's old article, but he could've just cited her book... Thanks for the news item. |
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grgspunk
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Very practical there. I'm pretty sure everyone has the time and money to learn the Japanese language (featuring a staggering collection of 3000+ kanji characters) and importing raws with expensive shipping costs.
A true anime fan would want everyone to be able to view anime in its original form without such major obstacles, moron. Besides, 4kids is dead and a lot of titles are already released here unedited: You think getting the companies to release the few unlucky titles in its original form would kill the industry? Last edited by grgspunk on Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:58 am; edited 2 times in total |
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Rawshark
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Is this story really newsworthy? I know anime fans like to latch onto anything that legitimizes their hobby, including fansubbers, in the eyes of mainstream and academia, but this is kind of pathetic. |
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Daimao Raki
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