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And who determines what is 'wrong' or 'sexist'?

Just because your brother lives on his own doesn't mean you can judge the cleanliness of his home when you come by.

TitanXL wrote:

Katara may not be as brash as Korra but to say she's not aggressive or any of those other traits is a bit of folly. Remember, one of her main shticks was her going into 'girl power' mode and challenging authority and 'not needing no man to hold her back'. She would always start fights at the first start of provocation, resorting to 'actions speak louder than words' like assaulting people she disagreed with. Maybe not as 'mannish' as Toph, but she was still in the same vein of character. Contrast to Yukiko from Persona 4, who handled those tabloid reporters with her words, not beating them up, throwing them off a cliff, or resorting to violence or aggression at the slightest provocation. Yukkiko handled her confrontations in more tactfully and poise ways.

You realize that the fact that you're a total neanderthal about gender roles is really really really really really really obvious to anyone who reads what you say, right?

I mean come on, man. Is there no form of sexism you WON'T defend, under the guise of "cultural relativism"?

Doesn't it pretty much say? It's all about what each culture considers worthy of being in the lead role and considered 'strong'. So while you may find characters on the right side in anime (the last example sounds fairly tsundere) you'll rarely find the left in American culture, especially as main leads, due to that. Because, culturally, it's not something we usually do, mainly since we rarely make shows aimed at girls beyond Barbie and My Little Pony.

I stumbled on a 40 min interview voice actor Crispin Freeman (Alucard, Kyon, many other English Dub roles) gave with someone at "MYMHM" (a YouTube channel) and Crispin gave probably one of the BEST Answers Ever about WHY we love Japanese Anime - it actually destroys your claim that "Cultural Relativism" is a Guise.

The comment he made (I'm paraphrasing) is that - Anime is not bound by the social norms & patterns of Western Animation. The societal norms and cultural lessons seem strange to us because it's NOT our 'norms' and AS SUCH, it doesn't have to explain itself because WE go to "it"- and "it" doesn't conform to US. He laughs and says "it's like, I am French Wine - Drink Me or Not". (the link to this is here http://youtu.be/mdDKTUXJerM ).

Crispin does an amazing job of explaining how Vampires can be 'sparkley' in "Twilight" and yet, still be badass in "Hellsing" and we all can Get Along. To call another person "Neanderthal" and dismiss his argument on "Cultural Relativism" (which is a valid line of debate) makes me wonder if you just got frustrated and couldn't agree to disagree. Not trying to be antagonizing but I looked at the end of the thread and saw that "comment" and was saddened. You didn't even 'counter'.

I like that Japan isn't "P.C." - YET! they respect women to such a degree that they give them their own "trains" and have strict laws against sexual assaults. [...] However, Japan encourages with the might of the rising sun itself, that females be "Womanly"- be girly and Kawaii and soft. Japan likes [...] Woman to be maternal, soft, & beautiful and have kids for the glory & honor of Japan.

**I should note: Progressives hate the 'traditional family structure' and have done well to destroy it in the USA,

Zac wrote:

TitanXL wrote: Katara may not be as brash as Korra but to say she's not aggressive or any of those other traits is a bit of folly. Remember, one of her main shticks was her going into 'girl power' mode and challenging authority and 'not needing no man to hold her back'. She would always start fights at the first start of provocation, resorting to 'actions speak louder than words' like assaulting people she disagreed with. Maybe not as 'mannish' as Toph, but she was still in the same vein of character. Contrast to Yukiko from Persona 4, who handled those tabloid reporters with her words, not beating them up, throwing them off a cliff, or resorting to violence or aggression at the slightest provocation. Yukkiko handled her confrontations in more tactfully and poise ways. You realize that the fact that you're a total neanderthal about gender roles is really really really really really really obvious to anyone who reads what you say, right? I mean come on, man. Is there no form of sexism you WON'T defend, under the guise of "cultural relativism"?

That's pretty Harsh Zac - Man has an Opinion. Is this a court of law? must we defend ourselves to "You" or to the Masses (the fellow ANN readers & posters)- I thought this Forum was for the 'little people' to share opinions, yet here we have you calling us "Neanderthals"? Fine, it's your opinion.

I stumbled on a 40 min interview voice actor Crispin Freeman (Alucard, Kyon, many other English Dub roles) gave with someone at "MYMHM" (a YouTube channel) and Crispin gave probably one of the BEST Answers Ever about WHY we love Japanese Anime - it actually destroys your claim that "Cultural Relativism" is a Guise.

The comment he made (I'm paraphrasing) is that - Anime is not bound by the social norms & patterns of Western Animation. The societal norms and cultural lessons seem strange to us because it's NOT our 'norms' and AS SUCH, it doesn't have to explain itself because WE go to "it"- and "it" doesn't conform to US. He laughs and says "it's like, I am French Wine - Drink Me or Not". (the link to this is here http://youtu.be/mdDKTUXJerM ).

Crispin does an amazing job of explaining how Vampires can be 'sparkley' in "Twilight" and yet, still be badass in "Hellsing" and we all can Get Along. To call another person "Neanderthal" and dismiss his argument on "Cultural Relativism" (which is a valid line of debate) makes me wonder if you just got frustrated and couldn't agree to disagree. Not trying to be antagonizing but I looked at the end of the thread and saw that "comment" and was saddened. You didn't even 'counter'.

I like that Japan isn't "P.C." - YET! they respect women to such a degree that they give them their own "trains" and have strict laws against sexual assaults. Men should be Gentleman and keep themselves respectful! However, Japan encourages with the might of the rising sun itself, that females be "Womanly"- be girly and Kawaii and soft. Japan likes their men to be hardworking Salary Men & Strong independent providers (for the Pride & Honor of Family & Japan) and Woman to be maternal, soft, & beautiful and have kids for the glory & honor of Japan.

**I should note: Progressives hate the 'traditional family structure' and have done well to destroy it in the USA, so this might be Zac & I agree to disagree.

Lastly - how did this thread shrink from 22 pages? to 12? Why No Podcast for this week? I was all excited Friday morning.

That's pretty Harsh Zac - Man has an Opinion. Is this a court of law? must we defend ourselves to "You" or to the Masses (the fellow ANN readers & posters)- I thought this Forum was for the 'little people' to share opinions, yet here we have you calling us "Neanderthals"? Fine, it's your opinion.

None of that has anything to do with "cultural relativism" or issues like gender roles and representation in media. You completely missed Freeman's point and twisted into something I am absolutely certain he was not saying. Because he would have been ripped to shreds if he said something like what you are.

Yes, you are a [expletive] Neanderthal. It is incredibly depressing that someone living in 2012 actually just typed that and thinks its a good thing. The "traditional family structure" as you think of it cannot be burned to the ground fast enough.

And you completely ignore the horrifying reason they need their own trains. It's NOT a good thing at all and its hilarious (in a sad, depressing, if not rage inducing way) that you think they're getting their own trains because they're just respected so much.

Call me a Neanderthal All you like - I can charm the F*ck out of an Attractive women with a few choice words of sincerity. As good as I am at "trolling" I am at the art of 'Verbal massage'. We can agree to disagree. I hope you enjoy the fires of burning "Traditionalism" what's gonna be left for your kids ??

You have offended me, as someone who does not come from the WESTERN AMERICAN culture, some of us had both our parents work, and were raised by our grandparents.

Also, the traditional family structure is a construct of the 1950s, the 1 parent works, 1 parent in the house thing is very new, have you taken any sociology at all.

Also, the idea that women should just stay in the house is offensive to not just me, but every female sailor I've worked with or am working with, so before you call me a PROGRESSIVE LIBERAL who wants to Destroy America, I'm a sailor who is defending freedom as I speak, so please don't try that.

Man, I'm sorry for being late, but thanks Zac and guests for pointing this out, I mean I had no idea that they were literally going for this in Tomb Raider, I mean this is 2012, not the edgy 90s or some of the worse 80s comic *cough miller cough*

TitanXL: what measure harms the most people, or forces people into a role, I mean its pretty easy to judge both on a utilitarian basis and on a basis of final outcomes and happiness.

RogerSterling wrote:

Call me a Neanderthal All you like - I can charm the F*ck out of an Attractive women with a few choice words of sincerity. As good as I am at "trolling" I am at the art of 'Verbal massage'. We can agree to disagree. I hope you enjoy the fires of burning "Traditionalism" what's gonna be left for your kids ??

This needs to be printed out, framed, and hung on the wall of every guy who uses the internet, with these words written underneath:

"Don't be that guy"

RogerSterling wrote:

That's pretty Harsh Zac - Man has an Opinion. Is this a court of law? must we defend ourselves to "You" or to the Masses (the fellow ANN readers & posters)- I thought this Forum was for the 'little people' to share opinions, yet here we have you calling us "Neanderthals"? Fine, it's your opinion.

You're getting really tired. Just about done with you.

Call me a Neanderthal All you like - I can charm the F*ck out of an Attractive women with a few choice words of sincerity.