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Hey, Answerman: DOOMSDAY EDITION!

whats your problem dude. Is there a reason you feel the need to be totally condecending? You cut out the first half of my post and then act all like Im saying that downloads arent a problem. I realise that thats a problem. Saying that they will end up paying in the long run has very little bearing on the topic at hand. Especially since an individual choosing to pay isnt going to single handedly save the day. If you buy, but nobody else does you're just gonna end up paying both costs.

I obviously didn't say that. Putting it that way makes it sound like Im saying "Its okay to do it because everyone else is." The point is that no single person downloading or not downloading is going to make or break the industry. You're expecting people to spend a significant amount of money to support the industry when what they end up doing is barely going to make a difference. Ofcourse the problem is that if everyone takes that attitude then it does cause a problem. Really this is why downloads are a problem. I feel its a very unfortunate situation because I don't feel its right to place blame on any particular group. I can't fault downloaders for being unwilling to spend their money when they don't have to just so theres one more guy buying instead of downloading. Does this mean its okay for them to download? I would say that they should buy. I sure won't be judgemental of them for not doing so though.

I think if that causes you to loose faith in humanity, you just have unfair expectations of humanity.

ikillchicken wrote:

I obviously didn't say that. Putting it that way makes it sound like Im saying "Its okay to do it because everyone else is." The point is that no single person downloading or not downloading is going to make or break the industry. You're expecting people to spend a significant amount of money to support the industry when what they end up doing is barely going to make a difference. Ofcourse the problem is that if everyone takes that attitude then it does cause a problem. Really this is why downloads are a problem. I feel its a very unfortunate situation because I don't feel its right to place blame on any particular group. I can't fault downloaders for being unwilling to spend their money when they don't have to just so theres one more guy buying instead of downloading. Does this mean its okay for them to download? I would say that they should buy. I sure won't be judgemental of them for not doing so though. I think if that causes you to loose faith in humanity, you just have unfair expectations of humanity.

What, my expectations of humanity are unfair because I expect people to pay for the things that interest them? I can't fathom how someone could enjoy a series and yet not want to support the industry and/or creators who made said series possible. Sure, I downloaded the Haruhi fansubs just like everyone else, but I deleted them the moment I heard the series had been licensed and started budgeting myself so I could afford the DVDs once they came out. I lost my job a few months back right after buying a new computer, and needless to say didn't have enough money for the last two volumes. As crazy as this might sound, I went without. But when I have enough extra income to start spending it on anime, those two discs are probably the first things I'll buy. Don't have money? Get a job. Still don't have enough money to buy your own DVDs? Rent. No credit card? Most places accept checks or even cash. That goes for ordering online as well; I know for a fact that CDJapan takes both cash and money orders, and they're overseas. There's no excuse for downloading anime other than outright selfishness, and if you think that that selfishness should be tolerated because 'you can't judge people for wanting to do things the easy way', well, there's nothing more to argue about.

Wow......I thought the idea sounded silly but it seems not...wow. Fansubbing vhs tapes, never would've thought of that heh. Yes VHS is older then me btw but not by much (I think?)

I haven't figured it out yet- but if two people spend $200 and loan the dvds to friends (let says 10 friends) then its fine because they got $200?

whats your problem dude. Is there a reason you feel the need to be totally condecending? You cut out the first half of my post and then act all like Im saying that downloads arent a problem. I realise that thats a problem. Saying that they will end up paying in the long run has very little bearing on the topic at hand. Especially since an individual choosing to pay isnt going to single handedly save the day. If you buy, but nobody else does you're just gonna end up paying both costs.

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I haven't figured it out yet- but if two people spend $200 and loan the dvds to friends (let says 10 friends) then its fine because they got $200?

AFAIK loaning is still legal, but if you read the dvd notices they say not to "loan." I am unsure if they mean loan in a business context (collateral?) or if they mean loan in the sense of lending to a friend, but I'm pretty sure they don't like either.

The issue at hand though, is that CSSYueh comes flying in here telling people that they're bad for downloading and that they should "do without" if they can't afford it when she clearly doesn't have to face that reality. Maybe its because she saves and doesnt spend money on other stuff, but it seems apparent that she's able to fairly easilly afford as much Anime as she wants. She says stuff like "do without" but she would never have to. It comes across as very hypocritical.

Even assuming she does make major other sacrifices to do so. Hell no she or anyone else isn't wrong for saving like that. Clearly nobody is saying they are. Its great that they do. I do think its bad for someone to expect others to make such extreme sacrifices inorder to buy Anime. Especially when they are so judgemental of anyone who isnt willing to. You, her and others love to tell us "You either save up or sacrifice something else to get something. Simple as that." But ya know, it isn't that simple thanks to downloads. I don't know about you guys but I'm not going to judge someone who isn't willing to make major sacrifices to buy Anime when they can get it for free.

What, my expectations of humanity are unfair because I expect people to pay for the things that interest them?

I can't fathom how someone could enjoy a series and yet not want to support the industry and/or creators who made said series possible.

There's no excuse for downloading anime other than outright selfishness, and if you think that that selfishness should be tolerated because 'you can't judge people for wanting to do things the easy way', well, there's nothing more to argue about.

ikillchicken wrote:

The issue at hand though, is that CSSYueh comes flying in here telling people that they're bad for downloading and that they should "do without" if they can't afford it when she clearly doesn't have to face that reality. Maybe its because she saves and doesnt spend money on other stuff, but it seems apparent that she's able to fairly easilly afford as much Anime as she wants. She says stuff like "do without" but she would never have to. It comes across as very hypocritical. Even assuming she does make major other sacrifices to do so. Hell no she or anyone else isn't wrong for saving like that. Clearly nobody is saying they are. Its great that they do. I do think its bad for someone to expect others to make such extreme sacrifices inorder to buy Anime. Especially when they are so judgemental of anyone who isnt willing to. You, her and others love to tell us "You either save up or sacrifice something else to get something. Simple as that." But ya know, it isn't that simple thanks to downloads. I don't know about you guys but I'm not going to judge someone who isn't willing to make major sacrifices to buy Anime when they can get it for free.

My father was injured & disabled back before million dollar lawsuits were the norm. For getting crippled for life, he got a whopping $8000. I grew up on welfare. My folks could only afford second hand clothes so when I got tired of being teased for wearing Thrift Store clothes, I made my own money picking fruit (climbing 12 ft ladders to pick cherries & shimmying up & down apple trees with a 20 lbd sack of apples tied to me like modern baby carriers, babysitting, working as a candy-girl in a theater for free movie tickets).
I think my teen yrs were filled with "do without" & "earn your own money for your toys because mommy & daddy can't afford"

Any other whines that I don't know what I'm talking about?

I have to scramble now to get Samurai Champloo, Fate Stay Night, & Disgaea or gamble they'll vanish so I obviously do wait until it comes out at a price I'm willing to pay. Just last night I scoped out NHK & Red Garden & decided I could wait for a box
But no, I don't do without, do I

Right...

Good luck with all that money you have to throw around.

So some aspects of the economy aren't quite as good as one could hope, but when you believe theft of non-essentials to be the solution you have to also understand that doing so only makes matters worse by denying people payment for their hard work and likely, in the end, costing people their jobs. A bit of an unfortunate situation when your solution becomes the problem.

My folks could only afford second hand clothes so when I got tired of being teased for wearing Thrift Store clothes, I made my own money picking fruit (climbing 12 ft ladders to pick cherries & shimmying up & down apple trees with a 20 lbd sack of apples tied to me like modern baby carriers, babysitting, working as a candy-girl in a theater for free movie tickets).