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Stall_19
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It was pretty good......for the first few episodes. Then once I got desensitized to the shock value violence I realized that there was nothing beyond that. The characters are pretty one note with an exception or two, the plot nonsensical, especially near the end. Who were we suppose to root for? The most likeable character to me is the terrorist who bombed a freaking school. Not the worst thing ever but I would not call this series good.
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One-Eye
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ThatGuyWhoLikesThings
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I'm curious Hope, what are your thoughts on Akise, the gay character who, surprisingly, isn't played for comic relief? I thought he was one of only 2 or 3 characters who could be called, dare I say, “well-written”, along with Ninth and, depending on how you define “well-written”, Twelfth.
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CarnivalCorpse
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i'm still hoping this gets A UK home release, survival game type shows/stories have always appealed to me and warrant a purchase.
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Crispy45
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So what does CB and PA have to do with it? They ain't exactly as popular as Bake or Madoka are. Cowboy Bebop and Paranoia Agent sure as hell wouldn't be considered masterpieces if we're going off popularity.
Cept for the ones who do believe in it and value it, but I guess they don't count because only your views count, naturally. =P This is the internet so can't be too surprised people think their views must be the universal standard and other beliefs have zero room to be tolerated or accepted. I love it when people speak for women everywhere in topics about sexism and they don't have a choice in the matter. >_> So much delicious irony in it. |
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CrownKlown
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Actually that was quite a poor analogy. To many if not the majority of the world's population its nothing more than oil on canvas, if even that. Sure by what you deem the "cultured" world its a masterpiece, and even there some debate abounds, but show it some farmer in China or some fisherman in Africa, and they would tell you so what? At most they would laugh at you for suggesting this work is worth more than the food they struggle to put on the table. That is exactly the point the original fellow made and quite correctly. Even in your rather contrived analogy his point holds up, you simply cannot create something objective from something objective by it very nature. Also I find it funny how you scoff at the cultural beliefs of one group when one day your beliefs might be ridiculed by future generations. Beliefs and culture change and there really is no right or wrong if you look at it objectively. I will leave you with this quote by Albert Einstein: Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods. |
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animemaster1
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@jesuotaku, you're [insult removed].
But anyway, in response to the other comment (@zeo1fan), first of all, no, I wouldn't put this on the same level as something like Cowboy Bebop; however, I feel it is masterful in it's own right. One important thing that provides me a different opinion on the show than you is in regards to your statements about the characters and themes being unrelatable or not true to life. See, while it does help to have characters you can relate to, that doesn't always have to be the case. The characters can all be psychos and still be enjoyable to watch, and yes, pretty much all the major players in this show are pretty psycho. However, that doesn't take away from the plot. They react to situations as they should even if they are crazy reactions at times - that is because they are crazy. I think it is great actually that they can make such unrelatable characters go through what they go through and allow us (the audience) still be emotionally affected by it. I also don't consider this purely exploitative either. Say what you want, but I don't see the occurrences in this anime that you consider exploitative to be such because these elements were important to the whole story. Yes, a lot of it was disturbing, but these scenes weren't disturbing simply for the sake of being disturbing. But again, no, I definitely don't place it on the same level of Cowboy Bebpop and similar highly acclaimed works, but it is also hardly comparable, different planes we're looking at here. P.S. You see my avatar? That's a masterpiece for ya right there as well 
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Mad_Scientist
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Let's be very clear about exactly what "views" we are discussing here, Crispy45. We are not talking about a view like "I believe sex is something sacred and special that should be saved for marriage, but I apply this equally to men and women, and try not to judge others lest I be judged. At least for myself, though, I personally believe that, and I will definitely save myself for marriage." We're not talking about a simple factual statement like "well, some cultures/people really value virginity in a woman, so if you lose yours for any reason, it might unfortunately cause problems for you later on or cause some people to look down on you." We're not talking about a statement like "well, technically speaking if you're a woman and you lose your virginity, it's not coming back." (Which is only sort of true, there are medical procedures to restore the physical evidence of virginity. Though they can't literally undo the fact that someone has had sex, I believe they can at least make someone once again appear "pure" to those who care about such things.) But no, what we were talking about, or at least what Hope was first talking about, is a view like "If a woman is violently raped she is forever defiled and rendered impure, and it will completely tarnish her soul, perhaps turning her pure evil, perhaps making her incredibly foul-mouthed and super lustful. Regardless of the exact result, being raped makes the woman impure and tainted for the rest of her life." The discussion has started to drift, but this was the primary point Hope brought up that spawned this whole conversation. I "tolerate" that view only in the sense that the US has free speech and I don't think people should be arrested or anything for saying that. But that's pretty much it. That is the limit of my acceptance. If you feel that makes me an intolerant horrible person, fine. If you think it's ironic and that I am somehow speaking for women everywhere and denying them choices just because I think that viewpoint is pretty ****ing repulsive, fine. But a line has to be drawn somewhere. I'm pretty sure you draw a line too. I mean, I doubt you expect anyone to "tolerate and accept" views that state things like "murder is pretty okay actually, completely moral." I doubt you'd accuse someone who says "murder is generally wrong" of denying people choices and speaking for women (and well men too) everywhere and say it's ironic. |
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JacobC
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What...what planet do you hail from? O_o???? CB is one of the most popular anime in the western world by miles. Unless you mean that only opinions from glorious Nihon count in this odd equation you've set up, in which case you have to flip the script and account for the large Japanese reverence toward Satoshi Kon.
Look, twins! |
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Questionerer
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Did Hope actually ever say this? Wasn't what spawned "this" conversation something someone posted in a spoiler as a reply to the emotional content of the anime...? |
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Mad_Scientist
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Nah, you're being too harsh on StormSky92. I thought his post was kind of silly, but at least he wasn't being blatantly insulting and weird... just kind of weirdly passive aggressive. Or perhaps your comment is some reference or joke that just completely flew over my head. |
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animemaster1
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@Jesuotaku: You seem good at posting the least meaningful or constructive replies on the forum here. Congrats.
Though I suppose it's good to know you at least recognize that Cowboy Bebop is indeed as universally popular as it is (unlike Cocoa Crispy 45 or whatever his name is). Last edited by animemaster1 on Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:06 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Mad_Scientist
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Well, I paraphrased a bit, but this is what spawned the conversation.
That's not an uncommon attitude, unfortunately. And traces of it show up in too many anime. |
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JacobC
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I was just referring to the nature of both posts being "I could address this simple, plainly-expressed viewpoint I disagree with, but I'd rather seem superior by saying 'it sucks and it's wrong' with no reasoned rebuttal." But maybe I am being too snide. Had my yuks, I'll lay off.
I already wrote 2,500 words about the show, so I feel I've largely done my part in adding to the discourse. A sentence or two of response to a couple things is probably more than I need to add onto my opinion.
Yup. It's plain as day on my first post on the first page, don't know how the "debate" suddenly became whether the concept of "purity" is real to some cultures vs. others or whatever weird thing was being tossed around. MadScientist summed it up really well: it's just one of Future Diary's many really terrible ideas about humanity. |
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animemaster1
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@Jesuotaku: Dude, the reason I said what I said to you is that there was nothing for me to make a rebuttal about. All you did was make some sarcastic remarks based off my post - "oh yea the emotionally engaging rape scenes" blah, blah, blah. So clever. What the hell is there to reason with you about? Hence why I tried negating your comments and move on.
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