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INTEREST: LaLaport Numazu Removes 'Sexualizing' Panel of Love Live! Sunshine!!'s Chika


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Niyari



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:54 pm Reply with quote
thank you for making her drawn skirt one centimeter shorter! your hard work for this dire matter will not go unnoticed
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zeopower6



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:13 pm Reply with quote
It is true though that skirts don't really work like that unless you're really forcing it to get those lines... Also there's a real life version right next to it where that isn't happening at all!
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gilnokoibito



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:14 pm Reply with quote
Okay, but the one thing that really bother me isn't the 'this is not how skirts work' (because have you seen shirts in anime? The ones that hug each individual boob?) It's the fact that everyone against it is citing it as not being child-friendly. I, a grown adult, didn't even notice anything until it was pointed out and then I could sort of, slightly, not-really see the minor issue but do you really think ANY child is going to notice this??? Really? I didn't even know what camel toe was until I was 10 and even then I didn't understand why my mom said it made me 'look bad' (that's how the body is naturally shaped, Karen!) So I highly doubt any kid is going to see the shadows of how a skirt folds and have their innocence ruined by it. Likely, they'll never even notice until...well, until an ADULT points it out to them and tells them it's wrong! Otherwise, most kids are just gonna be like 'cool! an anime character!' and never notice anything else about it. It will not turn your child into a pervert, calm down. (Nor will your child begin to normalize it cause they're not even gonna notice it!)

As for adult creepers, as long as they ain't humping it then it's probably still safe for your kids to be around. The pedos aren't going to show up en masse for a skirt fold! They have the internet and doujins that are way more up their alley.
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Horsefellow



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:59 pm Reply with quote
gilnokoibito wrote:
Okay, but the one thing that really bother me isn't the 'this is not how skirts work' (because have you seen shirts in anime? The ones that hug each individual boob?) It's the fact that everyone against it is citing it as not being child-friendly. I, a grown adult, didn't even notice anything until it was pointed out and then I could sort of, slightly, not-really see the minor issue but do you really think ANY child is going to notice this??? Really? I didn't even know what camel toe was until I was 10 and even then I didn't understand why my mom said it made me 'look bad' (that's how the body is naturally shaped, Karen!) So I highly doubt any kid is going to see the shadows of how a skirt folds and have their innocence ruined by it. Likely, they'll never even notice until...well, until an ADULT points it out to them and tells them it's wrong! Otherwise, most kids are just gonna be like 'cool! an anime character!' and never notice anything else about it. It will not turn your child into a pervert, calm down. (Nor will your child begin to normalize it cause they're not even gonna notice it!)


People who cite "won't somebody please think of the children!" they don't actually care about the children, they're just using them as puppets to complain and get something they don't like changed. What they really mean is they don't like this and you shouldn't either. Japanese children don't care about stuff like this. I saw racier advertisements around Tokyo last time I visited Japan, and at almost every conbini store where they have gravure bikini models on the cover of manga magazines for kids, let alone what's actually in kids anime and manga. Some of them even sell porn too. Actual school girls in Japan role their uniform's skirt up to their butt because it's fashionable and wear short skirts all the time, they would never clutch their pearls over a poster as tame as this. It's just a excuse. Maybe this model was jealous they didn't hire her to promote this event or something. Which is kinda odd since apparently this person doesn't even live in Japan.
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CatSword



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:08 pm Reply with quote
Who are these people with laser eyes for the implications of crotches and managing to find something sexual out of literally everything? We need to lock their nasty asses up.
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GhostStalkerSA



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:21 pm Reply with quote
tomaszterkates wrote:
Gotta love how some people are working to erase anime from public places under ridiculous claim. I'm sure removal of a cartoon girl will improve the rights of women all around the world.

You do know that Numazu is already full of public displays of Love Love Sunshine artwork and other stuff (the tourism from the series basically revived a dying rural town), and the collaboration in question is still happening and the only thing removed was this particular poster, right? Chika’s likeness (sans vacuum skirt as it’s only a headshot) has been decorating boxes of Numazu mikan for at least a couple of years now. Anju is still mikan ambassador as well.
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harminia



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:02 pm Reply with quote
I think it's a shame the collaboration had to be taken down and has been marred by this scandal but on the other hand I don't know why the artist thought it was a good idea to not only shorten the skirt that much but draw nonsensical crotch lines.
Like, I'm not exactly offended but I agree it's blatantly sexualising something that should not have been sexualised.

(I personally didn't notice the vacuum crotch at first, though I didn't look at the picture very close until after a friend mentioned the campaign got banned)
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burning_scrub



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:34 pm Reply with quote
GhostStalkerSA wrote:

You do know that Numazu is already full of public displays of Love Love Sunshine artwork and other stuff (the tourism from the series basically revived a dying rural town), and the collaboration in question is still happening and the only thing removed was this particular poster, right? Chika’s likeness (sans vacuum skirt as it’s only a headshot) has been decorating boxes of Numazu mikan for at least a couple of years now. Anju is still mikan ambassador as well.


Some of those displays have this same skirt shading though, and nobody complained.

harminia wrote:
I think it's a shame the collaboration had to be taken down and has been marred by this scandal but on the other hand I don't know why the artist thought it was a good idea to not only shorten the skirt that much but draw nonsensical crotch lines.
Like, I'm not exactly offended but I agree it's blatantly sexualising something that should not have been sexualised.

(I personally didn't notice the vacuum crotch at first, though I didn't look at the picture very close until after a friend mentioned the campaign got banned)


He probably thought "I'm going to do what I've already been doing for a long time", because this wasn't an issue with the people actually walking the streets of Numazu. We're talking about a line on a skirt that you yourself didn't even notice; why would the artist predict a problem?
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Juno016



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:49 pm Reply with quote
dragon695 wrote:

I’ve heard that idol skirts are designed differently so as not to reveal undergarments while dancing. Still, I doubt they look like what is presented in the ad.


That is true (at least for today's idols), but this skirt is the character's school uniform's skirt, not an idol skirt.
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kotomikun



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:50 pm Reply with quote
GhostStalkerSA wrote:
You do know that Numazu is already full of public displays of Love Love Sunshine artwork and other stuff (the tourism from the series basically revived a dying rural town), and the collaboration in question is still happening and the only thing removed was this particular poster, right?


They probably know that on some level, but the Internet Masculinity Squad is sworn to defend every sexy image from censorship, no matter how minor (no pun intended), lest some kind of implausible slippery slope effect causes sexuality to be outlawed.

I mean, jeez, people. Keep this in perspective, alright? A single poster advertisement was taken down because it went viral for unintended reasons, making the company look bad. That sort of thing happens all the time, for all kinds of reasons. It's not that big of a deal. There is no evil anti-anime or anti-waifu conspiracy here.

As a side note, I don't buy the "well, I don't really care, but..." posts; most articles on this site get zero forum reactions. This one's nearly at 40 already. (Wait, actually, it passed 40 while I was writing this!) Everyone posting here is doing it for some substantive reason. But I guess feigned aloofness is still considered cool.


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harminia



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:52 pm Reply with quote
burning_scrub wrote:
He probably thought "I'm going to do what I've already been doing for a long time", because this wasn't an issue with the people actually walking the streets of Numazu. We're talking about a line on a skirt that you yourself didn't even notice; why would the artist predict a problem?


Like I said, I didn't look closely.

plus there's a difference between normal shading around the crotch that lines up with what the skirt is doing, and literal vacuum crotch.
Of course, not knowing which pictures in Numazu you're referring to I can't say whether vacuum crotch is commonly done.

I know that Love Live has had tbh pretty sexualised art before, so it's not like it's new to me. I'm more confounded why they made a collaboration with an orange brand more sexual (or, I guess, revealing?) than normal key art when there was no need. Like, if it was a collaboration with a beach or something, I'd understand, but oranges? Oranges don't need vacuum crotch and shortened skirts.
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strawberry-kun



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:12 pm Reply with quote
kotomikun wrote:

As a side note, I don't buy the "well, I don't really care, but..." posts; most articles on this site get zero forum reactions. This one's nearly at 40 already. (Wait, actually, it passed 40 while I was writing this!) Everyone posting here is doing it for some substantive reason. But I guess feigned aloofness is still considered cool.

Personally, I barely even post. I saw the picture in the article and had a chuckle. That’s really it. Nothing deeper.

Okay, I might have rolled my eyes too. I just wanted to add that “I don’t really care” bit because I saw people harassing others on twitter over this. That’s not okay. I don’t particularly want to be associated with those people. And of course, that’s legitimately how I feel. I think the controversy is silly, but ownership can do what they want.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:24 pm Reply with quote
burning_scrub wrote:
GhostStalkerSA wrote:

You do know that Numazu is already full of public displays of Love Love Sunshine artwork and other stuff (the tourism from the series basically revived a dying rural town), and the collaboration in question is still happening and the only thing removed was this particular poster, right? Chika’s likeness (sans vacuum skirt as it’s only a headshot) has been decorating boxes of Numazu mikan for at least a couple of years now. Anju is still mikan ambassador as well.


Some of those displays have this same skirt shading though, and nobody complained.

harminia wrote:
I think it's a shame the collaboration had to be taken down and has been marred by this scandal but on the other hand I don't know why the artist thought it was a good idea to not only shorten the skirt that much but draw nonsensical crotch lines.
Like, I'm not exactly offended but I agree it's blatantly sexualising something that should not have been sexualised.

(I personally didn't notice the vacuum crotch at first, though I didn't look at the picture very close until after a friend mentioned the campaign got banned)


He probably thought "I'm going to do what I've already been doing for a long time", because this wasn't an issue with the people actually walking the streets of Numazu. We're talking about a line on a skirt that you yourself didn't even notice; why would the artist predict a problem?

I assume you can post comparable vacuum skirt images that back up your assertions?
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burning_scrub



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:48 pm Reply with quote
GhostStalkerSA wrote:

I assume you can post comparable vacuum skirt images that back up your assertions?


This was on display in the exact same store. The front definitely looks like a "vacuum skirt" to me.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ5uQbqVAAUz9nY?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQ5uRtEUcAUFD3G?format=jpg&name=large

These are less directly comparable, but the crotch shading is definitely present.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQv07hbVUAACqdX?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQv07hfVAAElHKJ?format=jpg&name=medium (far left)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQvz7zMUcAQ2jLM?format=jpg&name=small
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CrimsonDX



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:50 pm Reply with quote
That is absolute bullshit. There is literally nothing wrong with it.
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