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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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Oh, I thought you meant shunning their opinions.
I don't agree with excluding actual people from the community. TitanXL - the person who claimed that anyone who dismisses Accel World is not a "legitimate fan" - is an arse and their opinion is wrong. I like Accel World, but I would never condone shunning someone just because they didn't like it. |
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Mikeski
Posts: 608 Location: Minneapolis, MN |
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The Most Interesting Man in the World disagrees; you can be an elitist dork and not have it be about genre. He doesn't always watch mecha anime, but when he does, he watches Evangelion. He doesn't always watch iyashikei anime, but when he does, he watches Aria. He doesn't always watch mahou shoujo, but when he does, he watches Cardcaptor Sakura. (And if he were to post on ANN threads, he'd troll about dubs, fanservice, aniplex pricing, blu-ray upscales, bootlegs, and fansubbing, all at once. And do it so well Zac would have to agree with him.) |
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TitanXL
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Amen. "High Standards" seems like such a drag if I have to limit what I like in order to keep that badge of 'honor'. I think I'd rather watch stuff I enjoy rather than what someone else thinks is 'good'
Funny, I don't remember saying this. I remember saying anyone who would dismiss a show based on it's premise or a setting used (i.e Accel World takes place in a school, making it a 'school anime') isn't a legitimate fan because they seem way too close-minded to be immersed in such a vast medium. Especially if, in their own words, they care what 'critics' think, yet refuse to check out an anime based on a critically acclaimed light-novel series to judge it for themselves. I said nothing about actually 'liking' anything, just keeping an open mind and not dismissing things on petty reasons like 'it takes place in a school. Next time, please don't twist my words around, thanks. Last edited by TitanXL on Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:35 am; edited 1 time in total |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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And yet:
I would like an apology but I won't be holding my breath for one. |
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TitanXL
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Taking a statement out of the context of the conversation and twisting it to suit your needs isn't something you should be in the habit of doing if you want people to take you seriously. Now, please point in that post where I said anything about 'liking' it as you claimed I did, if you could.
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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Hah, you're focusing on the "liking" part to try and obfuscate the fact that you talked about "legitimate fans", thereby implying that anyone who dismissed Accel World was not one.
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Bonham
Posts: 419 Location: NYC |
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It's very frustrating to see comments like Lord Geo's where there's this image of people excluding "simple" works if they have different or "high" standards than other people. I've loved film and video even more since I've learned and applied film theory. I don't think it's elitist to say I appreciate movies more than the average person because I actually understand film language. And there's a helluva of film theorists and practitioners (for a lack of a better term) that know more and can understand film better than I do. The same thing applies for people familiar with animation, music, writing, painting, dance, opera, etc. I mean, God, Brian even mentioned in the last two columns that he predominantly consumes and enjoys the type of "simple" things that Lord Geo mentions. But people continue to just read what they want to read, believe that people with "high standards" like things only because they are told to, and that these "high standard," "elitist" people don't actually enjoy things that are unconventional and/or difficult. Stop with this nonsense. |
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Fencedude5609
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And a lot of people don't care! I mean, I sorta care, but not entirely. I can go on about a number of series at length (would you like a dissertation about the implications of the events of the final episode of Madoka Magica? Or how about a discussion of the implications of Sena and Yozora's submissive/dominant relationship in Haganai? I'd be thrilled to discuss those or any number of other things about any number of other shows), but a lot of the "applied film theory" stuff just doesn't goddamn interest me. Sure, I like good sakuga, and I'm definitely a seiyuu connoisseur, but its all in service to the actual shows. You may find the theories and abstract concepts behind film (and TV and anime and whatever) creation interesting, but just because I (or others) don't, doesn't mean we don't appreciate things as much as you do. I can find such discussions interesting (and Zac, for example, did a great job on the Madoka reviews in full critic mode), but by god I don't want to see everything through that lens all the time. The "elitest" attitude here is that your appreciation of things is better than mine because you do care about that. Its not. Its different, and I may even find your views of interest, but that is all. |
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enurtsol
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Well, typical TV couch potatoes and Billboard Top 40 listeners tend to have low standards, right?
Yep, yet people shouldn't dismiss something based on anything such as premise or where it comes from, whether from Europe or America or Japan, not to be close-minded in such vast mediums known as animation, gaming, music, etc. |
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TitanXL
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And who determines what is 'simple', exactly? The fact we're even using that word does seem to pronounce a degree of thinking that 'this show is beneath me'. Like Fencedude said, he could go on and on about the characters in Haganai, then someone else can just come in and dismiss it as 'simplistic school-based fanservice crap' like a lot of ANN previews tend to do with similar shows. Who's right in that regard? |
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Divineking
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Err...no one is? Just because they had a different impression of a show doesn't make their opinion any less valid. There's no real right or wrong in an opinion. All you can do is choose whose you actually want to listen to. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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I wouldn't take someone's opinion seriously in that case if they haven't watched the show, or if they're only seen episode one and dropped it.
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Bonham
Posts: 419 Location: NYC |
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I think we've established you certainly don't.
I mean "movies" in a general sense, and how much background someone brings to a given subject does matter. If someone actually takes the time to learn about the medium they're consuming, they obviously care about it and enjoy it in a way that's markedly different than those that only ever passively do. I know a little bit about music, but honestly I don't get as much as someone who knows a helluva lot of theory and is able to apply. They're able to listen to music in a way I can't. They're able to understand it more than I am, and I don't have a problem admitting to that. I'm not demanding that people always put their thinking caps on or always find it interesting -- I don't and can't do that myself. But what I am frustrated at is this notion that as soon as you become more critical, that you somehow don't enjoy what you consume as much as people who don't know and care about such things. Experience with people who study and practice a given art tells me the opposite.
Uh, I would describe Whisper of the Heart to be relatively simple (even if it alludes to some relatively knotty ideas), and it's one of my favorite anime films. I'm not sure how that's "beneath me."
What Divineking said above. |
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Lord Geo
Posts: 2560 Location: North Brunswick, New Jersey |
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Like I said right at the start, I possibly was reading this kind of stuff wrong, but I have seen the term "high standards" used before as a way of making one person's tastes seem better than another's, including my own. When Justin said it I knew that he didn't mean any malice or negativity behind it, but it was funny to hear that term be brought up again. I was not complaining about people that have "high standards", but rather I was just relaying my experience with the term. All I was saying is that, if anything, I'd rather just say that I have "standards" instead of trying to quantify them with a term like "high standards", as there is, unfortunately, a misconception of the term being more, let's say, highfalutin, and that kind of annoys some people. I have no problem with people that feel that they have "high standards"... I just personally find myself not using that term to describe anything about myself. |
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Hypeathon
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A little off-topic, but I'm curious. Have you ever heard of Brian McDonald? |
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