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Why do a lot of Gundam fans hate SEED Destiny?

Although I seem to have a higher CE tolerance than you I still don't see why people think that Seed is so much better than Seed Destiny. All those reused stock footage and clip episodes in Seed really annoyed me, yet nobody seems to take notice of them until Destiny.

Then again I would expect no less from someone with such a great avatar.

I thought the first episode was fantastic and hearing Ikeda Shuuichi as Neo Roanoake grew on me, but only about a month or so into it, it wasn't just more of the same to me - it was a lot more of the same bad stuff they gave me a year or two ago.

ikillchickin wrote:

True. Also though, I think the problems in SEED were relatively isolated. You could get past the fact that all the character designs were very similar, or when there was a recap episode, suffer through it and then continue with the story afterwards, or even with reused animation.

BS #1 - You forgot that the characters were as flat as the animation, too. Granted, between the two series, easily I'd go with SEED over SEED-D, but the entire presentation of SEED left a sour taste in my mouth. There were a few action scenes worth watching and I like the music, but everything else is sub-par.

And BS # 2 - The thing I hated about SEED the most is that the majority of the main cast had survived. In the rush to the end climax (probably Fukuda's only good sense of pacing), the battle is littered with bodies of supporting characters and two piss-poor homages to deaths from First Gundam.

Starting with Zeta, Gundam series have featured high body counts (even non-Tomino series) or at least traumatic deaths of main characters. SEED and SEED-D lacked both of these and should be relegated to the back seat like Gndam Wing.

I got tired of seeing flat Macromedia/Adobe Flash looking animation with Hirai Hisashi's "copied from my earlier rejected work" excuses for character designs.

And I'm talking about both SEED and Zeta here. Between the two shows, they did manage a couple significant deaths in those final few episodes, but Zeta's famed body count is mostly the same kind of nobodies that get offed at the end of SEED too. What's the difference?

Small correction, but I believe that Ikeda is Gilbert
Durandal.

The thing you hated most was the low death toll? Who else should have died and how would his/her/their death(s) have improved the show?

What does it add to a show to simply kill people off just for the hell of it? Would Zeta have been a significantly worse show if it hadn't massacred its supporting cast in the final five episodes?

You're acting like Ryvuis and Scryed weren't among the most popular animes of their years... 99 and 01 respectively.....

Ones by Tomino someone he "loves" and the other isn't.

of creating an otherwise interesting male lead of Shinn Asuka

“There is only one realm in which characters defy natural laws and remain the same - the realm of bad writing. And it is the fixed nature of the characters which makes the writing bad. If a character in a short story, novel, or play (or in this case, anime and/or visual novel, or game) occupies the same position at the end as the one he did at the beginning, that story, novel or play is bad.”

Nice slight there. Yes, I happen to enjoy Tomino's UC stories more than several of the AC stories but he's not above criticism or fault by any stretch.

It's all good as long as you realize that, some Tomino fans are completely fucken hopeless though. I remember when the second op for destiny came out which showed every character naked (though you didn't see anything) and you had countless variations of the following

"They're doing this for ratings, blah blah blah Tomino would never stoop to something so low"

Of course I just laughed and said Brainpowered (which was waaaaaaaaaaay more revealing, naked chicks showing their tits everywhere in the OP), end of discussion.

Speaking of Brainpowered I really wish the show was as good as the music provided for it, pity Tomino made it for all the wrong reasons.

Respect goes to any man who puts up a fight until the end (which Tomino did).

Now the otaku have "Moe Gundam" (which is SEED and Destiny).

And afterwards, the heads of $unrise complained that they "can't sell Gundam outside of Asia." Hmmm... I wonder why....

Tyrenol wrote:

Respect goes to any man who puts up a fight until the end (which Tomino did).

What fight?

Tyrenol wrote:

Now the otaku have "Moe Gundam" (which is SEED and Destiny).

I don't think you have the slightest clue what 'moe' even is.

Tyrenol wrote:

And afterwards, the heads of $unrise complained that they "can't sell Gundam outside of Asia." Hmmm... I wonder why....

After SEED? Sunrise and Bandai have been complaining about not being able to sell Gundam in North America ever since they screwed up their big UC blitz after Wing. They failed just as much to push UC (and G, for that matter) as they did to push SEED, so it really has nothing to do with the assumed superiority or inferiority of one Gundam title over another. It was bad marketing.

He smashed a Gundam model on the floor stating "This will be my next Gundam!" That fight.

Okay. "Seed and every other title afterwards."