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dormcat
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That's why I suggested a preliminary (qualifying). Otherwise, a lot of resource would be wasted on series filled with cute females (Negima, Gokujou Seitokai, Mai-HiME, etc.). Fans of those series don't love each and every character; most of them still focus on protagonist(s). |
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abunai
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See my edited version of my immediately preceding post (I added something while you were posting - that's what happens when a thread is "alive"). Anyway, we're now getting very close to 256 characters. Here's what I suggest: 1. Pick out 32 characters as the "top seeds". 2. Divide the list into eight groups. Each group must contain four top-seeded characters, drawn at random. The rest of the characters will be distributed randomly. 3. Each group then is subject to a vote - say that everyone who votes must pick three characters from the group, each of which then gets 1 point. 4. The top 8 characters in each group then go on to the second round. If a spot is tied, both characters go on. 5. In round two, the 64+ surviving characters (who must now all be considered equally seeded) are randomly divided into four groups of 16 or so. A second vote, similar to the first, is held. 6. The top 4 characters in each of the 4 second-round groups then go on to round three. 7. In round three, the 16 surviving characters are divided into two groups of 8 characters. A new vote is held, similar to the previous. 8. The top 2 characters in each of the 2 third-round groups then go on to an elimination tournament consisting of a semi-final and a final. By random drawing, the 4 survivors are matched against each other in pairs in a semi-final. The winner of each pair goes on to the final. How's that? Too complicated? Some of the steps can be eliminated by making the groups larger. - abunai |
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Samurai CDZ
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Mm. Our moe are completely different. Mine revolves around pre-teen characters. This probably comes from being an only child and always wanting a little sister. My comment was referring more to the older characters since I don't find them very moe myself, although I can certainly see why people do consider them such. ----- How do we pick seeds? At random? There really doesn't seem to be any advantage to being a seed. They're supposed to get the weakest draw, but in a random setting it's really not that helpful. Maybe this is where we can use those images dormcat linked. I know it's another contest but...said characters could represent strong competiton, and should be separated. Also, I think remaining seeds should continue their seed status into later rounds, keeping them separated from each other, since that seems to be the only plus in having seeds at all. |
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dormcat
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Just like any other sports, seeds are given to prospective winners to separate them apart until near the final showdown. Without seeds, #1 and #2 might fight at the very first round, and #2 gets retired not because it's not good enough but because it meets the one and only one better than it in the very beginning of the tournament. The only problem is how seeds should be generated. I do know that in auto racing your starting position is determined with your qualifying performance; faster cars have a head start. Anyone knows about other sports? Another issue I'm worrying about is participation. Right now we have less than ten users participating the discussion. I wonder how many other users would actually join and vote even if we complete a 256-characters tournament tree. |
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Samurai CDZ
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Most sports have a season that determines seeding for the playoffs. This also give them home field advantage as well as a weak draw (niether of which are applicable to this situation). Final position at the end of the season determines "seeding" for drafts, and maybe it effects the following years schedule, too. My question was, at this time, where are we going to get that information from? The Top 32 Moe, and Top 24, 25-100 lists you provided seems to me like a good place to start. In other words, I hoping we're not going to arbitrarily (more or less) pick 32 characters.
Yeah, at this point, even though they are very cheatable it seems the polls might be the best. I do believe there is a way to filter out the cheaters, but I think that would require staff support. But if we're allowed to use the polls, we'd have to have that anyway. |
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daxomni
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What is this all about anyway? I read the first post and the links, but I'm still not terribly familier with the concept. What is the point of this 'tournament' and what exactly makes one "moe" character 'better' than another? Why is "moe" the category anyway?
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Kazuki-san
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Well, there's a couple of ways to look at it. Even though this thread has been here awhile, I never even saw it until yesterday, at which point most of my suggestions were already taken. People unfamiliar with the concept of moe, or those who aren't caught by the catchy thread title  , will stay away from the thread. Now, if this was to become an official ANN deal, then a simple posting at the top of the news with the rules and the like should garner enough interest.
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Zac
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I can guarantee you that is not going to happen. I'm okay with you guys keeping this in its own thread in the anime forum and doing whatever it is you want to do, but you're going to have to use whatever tools you have here already to make it work. |
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Kazuki-san
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Oh well, just a thought. I would simply suggest starting out with a new thread, outlining everything one would need to know to participate, since this thread has been used mainly for suggestions and nominations. |
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abunai
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That's perfectly fine by me - I've repeatedly remarked that I don't consider the polls reliable. I prefer people to make their votes up front. And by the way, thank you so much for your kind words of encouragement. It always makes my heart swell to see someone really invest himself emotionally in active fandom. I know you took a lot of time off from your busy schedule to tell us that you're "okay with it", and I really appreciate the effort. Now, getting back to the business at hand:
I agree that this is probably the best option. Start a new thread for the first round, giving a short intro to the concept of moe, explaining the rules, and listing the contestants. Then call for votes in that thread. Round two, new thread, etc. - abunai |
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dormcat
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For fun. 
It's a popularity contest, not a "goodness" contest. The result is not scientific and only reflects the opinion of those who choose to participate.
You can open the most fujoshi or aniki character tournament if you want. Even with moe, the most popular character type, we have only about a dozen users discussing. I'd like to see how many users would participate in an aniki tournament. 
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PantsGoblin
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Well, it's kind of hard to explain if you have already read those definitions. As dormcat has put it, it is similar to "the love of a stepfather for his cute stepdaughter. You cherish her and try to protect her under your wing, but once in a while an evil thought flashes in your mind, followed by "no no no that's very very wrong" and some deeply guilty feeling." I don't know if there is any other way I could explain it after this. As for the seeds, the lists that dormcat put up, well, I can't really identify all of the characters in it. These are all the ones I knew off the top of my head: Saimoe top 32: 1.Natsuki -Mai Hime 2.Misuzu -Air 3.? 4.Dokoro -Bokusatsu Tenshi Dokoro-chan 5.? 6.? 7.? 8.? 9.? 10.Nanoha- Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha 11.Akane -Mai Hime 12.? 13.? 14.Shizuro -Mai Hime 15.? 16.? 17.? 18.? 19.? 20.? 21.? 22.? 23.Midori -Mai Hime 24.? 25.? 26.Character from Air (sorry I forgot her name  )
27.? 28.? 29.? 30.? 31.Mai -Mai Hime 32.? Newtype top 32 1.Chii -Chobits 2.Mizuho -Please Teacher 3.Aoi -Ai Yori Aoishi 4.? 5.Mahoro -Mahoromatic 6.Misha -Pita Ten 7.Osaka -Azumanga Daioh 8.Kaname -Full Metal Panic 9.? 10.? 11.Chiyo -Azumaga Daioh 12.Tessa -Full Metal Panic 13.? 14.Kagome -Inuyasha 15.Milfeulle -Galaxy Angel 16.? 17.? 18.Sumomo -Chobits 19.? 20.? 21.Sakaki -Azumanga Daioh 22.Chise -SaiKano 23.Ayu -Kanon 24.? 26.Lina -Slayers 27.? 28.? 29.? 30.Mao -Mao-chan 31.? 32.Lacus -Gundam SEED I know it's embarressing, but that's all I know. Can anybody else fill in the rest? |
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dormcat
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Nah, I provided them just for a reference, not saying they have to be seeds. BTW, how could I mention Kiddy Grade without Uta∽Kata? |
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angel_lover
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Uta∽Kata? Yes, definitely Ichika, possibly Keiko too.
Other random nominations would include Yuri from Alien 9, Tohru from Fruits Basket, and Laburey from Neoranga (although I guess that last one might be a little obscure). Finally, from the inclusion of robots, cyborgs and dolls I can tell that the contestants don't need to be human - but do they need to be humanoid? If not, I think Ebichu from Oruchuban Ebichu should be included. She's almost human 
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abunai
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Here's my updated version of your list - still with a few blanks: (old, new, still unidentified) Saimoe top 32: 1.Natsuki -Mai Hime 2.Misuzu -Air 3.Honoka -Negima 4.Dokoro -Bokusatsu Tenshi Dokoro-chan 5.Setsuna -Negima 6.Shinku -Rozen Maiden 7.Rein -Gokujou Seitokai 8.Suiseiseki -Rozen Maiden 9.(I know this character, but the name escapes me) 10.Nanoha- Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha 11.Akane -Mai Hime 12.Hazuki -Tsukuyomi~Moon Phase 13.(I know this character, but the name escapes me) 14.Shizuro -Mai Hime 15.(I know this character, but the name escapes me) 16.(I know this character, but the name escapes me) 17.Kaori -Gokujou Seitokai 18.Nanaho -Gokujou Seitokai 19.Youko -Tactics 20.(I don't recognise this character at all) 21.(I know this character, but the name escapes me) 22.Seina - Gokujou Seitokai 23.Midori -Mai Hime 24.Tenma - School Rumble 25.Ayumu -Gokujou Seitokai 26.Character from Air (sorry I forgot her name ) Kannabi-no-mikoto -Air
27.Mayura - Gokujou Seitokai 28.Kanade -Gokujou Seitokai 29.Ayaka -Negima 30.Souseiseki - Rozen Maiden 31.Mai -Mai Hime 32.Yakumo - School Rumble Newtype top 32 1.Chii -Chobits 2.Mizuho -Please Teacher 3.Aoi -Ai Yori Aoishi 4.Subaru -.hack//SIGN 5.Mahoro -Mahoromatic 6.Misha -Pita Ten 7.Osaka -Azumanga Daioh 8.Kaname -Full Metal Panic 9.Mimiru -.hack//SIGN 10.(I don't recognise this character at all) 11.Chiyo -Azumaga Daioh 12.Tessa -Full Metal Panic 13.(I don't recognise this character at all) 14.Kagome -Inuyasha 15.Milfeulle -Galaxy Angel 16.Robin -Witch Hunter Robin 17.(I don't recognise this character at all) 18.Sumomo -Chobits 19.Eclair -Kiddy Grade 20.(I don't recognise this character at all) 21.Sakaki -Azumanga Daioh 22.Chise -SaiKano 23.Ayu -Kanon 24.(I don't recognise this character at all) I'm not going to fiddle around with the nos. 25-100 on the Newtype list - but if there are any that you're particularly curious about, ask away.
No, I think it is clear from the examples already given that a moe character has to be reasonably human in appearance, and (I would say) female. The inclusion of Negi Springfield by dormcat must be considered a joke. So you can include creatures that are non-human in appearance, if and only if they are capable of assuming a human appearance that fits the moe mold. So Konuri-chan from PetoPeto-san is "moe-enabled" despite being essentially an ambulatory block of clay - because she can, with some effort, become a very cute little humanoid girl. But Ebichu, I regret to say, isn't moe - unless you're a furry. In which case... well, whatever rocks your boat. - abunai |
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