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EmeraldSaucer
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A completely worthless statement, since ultimately they'll still have the AI department and can't even try to backpedal without going "who knows what might happen in the future lol"
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AiddonValentine
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So what they're saying is "we need to be yelled at more." Seriously, AI is on its way out and just like every other failed grift (like the blockchain and NFTs) they're now in the "No, let's not admit we screwed something up, we just need better PR!" phase. Keep yelling at them and other companies that keep doing this crap -glares at Falcom, Larian, Sandfall, and a lot of other developers trying to sell the slop machine-
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Cho_Desu
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It's interesting how this specific chain of events seems to just keep happening. You would think a company would learn after the hundredth time that Lucy is going to pull back the football, so your big gen-a.i. announcement isn't going to be that game-winning field goal you're hoping for.
Maybe the stove just isn't hot enough? If a CEO places his hand on a stove and holds it there for a few sizzling minutes, you'd expect him to learn something. I guess the analogy fails because it's everyone below him who feels the burn. |
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loveliver
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The "without prior notice" is what killed this apology. Basically, they're doing what other certain companies (like the American ones) are now FORCED to do. DISCLOSE if GenAI has been used in any media they publish.
Screw that. Best if GenAI isn't used at all. |
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Luna_Inverse
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"Trust us, we're not building the doomsday machine!" - they say while building the doomsday machine.
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FishLion
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Besides how clearly mushy this is, it doesn't really give me confidence to spend money on them because even if a specific game doesn't use AI they have an entire AI division that your money could be sent to.
Many people of course don't want lower quality art from the use of AI, but if my money could somehow pay AI companies for their stolen art indirectly and encourage companies that it's okay to do some AI because I will buy the other stuff, that will just make this parasitic industry take even longer to die. AI is poison to creative industries and I'm not going to spend a penny on a company who is using stolen work to make their other projects cheaper just because it's not in a specific piece of media. |
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Kougeru
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That's a lot of words to say what we already know. The subsidiary is still hiring so obviously they haven't used AI in older games. The only thing this said is that they're gonna give us a heads up when they do - completely missing the point. Then they lie again about caring about artists. Rip Cygames. It was a fun ride
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tuxedo-melvin
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I look forward to seeing what they can do with it. If anyone actually stops supporting them over this then it's pretty obvious they weren't much of a fan anyway.
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DRosencraft
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For better and worse, this isn't reflective of reality. The R&D behind generative AI has been a thing since before the first computers switched on decades ago. Sci-fi has chronicled the fascination, intentions, and fear behind it for a century or more. Computer technology has been advancing towards generative AI as a specific goal for a very, very, long time, as a critical step towards fully autonomous AI. That genie is not going back in the bottle sans some apocalyptic event. Opining that it is on its way out is akin to early 90s folks talking about the internet as only a fad. |
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EmeraldSaucer
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Yeah you definitely know when something is an inevitability when techbros have to constantly cry about how it is while companies continually apologize for using it (or in the case of Games Workshop, a company that basically props up the UK's economy on its own, flat out saying the other day that they have zero interest in ever using it). It's just like the Internet, only instead of offering a service it offers nothing |
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AiddonValentine
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Autonomous AI is at least centuries (likely millennia) away from ever becoming a thing and will continue to be exclusively the realm of science-fiction long after I'm dead. Generative AI is an algorithm, little different from the word predictor on your phone when typing a text. There's a reason why in science fiction whenever stuff like AI, starships, or Gundam-esque mecha comes up there's always a "yada, yada, yada" explanation for a "miraculous breakthrough" that might as well be magic. And that' before getting into how sci-fi often analyzes the dangers and pitfalls of hose advancements by people who didn't actually think about the implications of what they were doing. No, LLMs and generative AI as they are now are just gimmicks for the easily fooled and grifters, same as NFTs or the blockchain. |
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FishLion
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Yeah, but this gen AI is stupid and bad compared to what people theorized about. A good generative AI would actually understand the information it's taking in and determine which of it is good and bad data before making decisions about what to keep and what to take with a grain of salt. It wouldn't need to steal all of the data on the internet just to make a passable output because it would have the core logical functions to make those decisions without needing millions of data points to compare, the same way a human doesn't need to look at every piece of art on the internet to make good art. This form of genAI has all access to more data than any human does and it decides to trust people on reddit with no expertise because a lot of people repeated a wives tale or something. When we do make a true AI, it won't be with today's technology, it may use modern machine learning to gather inputs to determine things but that's nothing like the AI scientists want, it's like inventing the wheel and then claiming you have a car. This iteration of theft based AI will die though, when people make a program that can do everything the hype men claim it will then people will be interested, but for now everyone expects sci-fi and gets bad or stolen art and way too much illegal porn. |
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1892Mariachi
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I always knew Cygames are full of scumbags. Screw them and their Granblue Fantasy and Uma Musume IPs. They don't deserve the popularity that they're getting.
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ATastySub
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How are those NFTs doing? |
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DRosencraft
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Some estimates say it grew from $5.4B in 2019, to $37.5B in 2024, projected to hit $820B by 2035 (https://www.rootsanalysis.com/nft-market), (https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/non-fungible-token-market-report). Again, you or I might not like something, and news cycles might not cover it indefinitely. Doesn't mean much. The AI industry has been building up to this point for a very long time. Much like no one expects Cygames to seriously cancel the plans for this studio after getting this far with it, no one seriously things generative AI is going to just go away. There will be rules set in place (should have long ago) but generative AI isn't going anywhere because too much has already been invested in it, and too many believe in the promise of a cheaper and more efficient workload and workflow. |
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