Do you have time to answer a really short survey for us ?
(5 questions; 35s to answer on average
Yes I'll do it later No
(5 questions; 35s to answer on average
Yes I'll do it later No
Forum - View topicNeed help defending anime
|
Goto page Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Next |
| Author | Message | ||
|---|---|---|---|
gnollman
 Posts: 535 Location: Richmond, KY |
|
||
Heh.... I might have stayed awake for that part.... |
|||
|
|||
Mou Kaoru
 Posts: 298 Location: Simple minds are easily amused. |
|
||
|
Besides hanyous and future teenage girls...another historically based anime~~> Peacemaker Kurogane yo!
*is loving every moment of this title* 
|
|||
|
|||
|
BlueRaven12
Posts: 23 Location: The anime shrine aboard the Ulthwé Craftworld |
|
||
|
I know what you mean. I work with a girl who absolutely hates anime and I have to argue with her over it pretty often, but after thoroughly preparing counter-arguements for anything that she'd throw at me, I've managed to stymie the attacks. The ironic part is that she's a fan of American cartoons, particularly X-men Evolution and Batman Beyond. So if you ever find these kinds of inconsistencies, use 'em against them if you can.
And here's some suggestions for general situations. If they ever make reference to Pokemon, remind them that everything has its failures. Hollywood managed to produce the Ben & J-Lo disaster. Classical literature had _________ (insert name of despised book from English class, Great Expectations by Charles Dickens for example). TV had American Idol. And music has __________ (insert name of the genre you hate most, maybe Country, classical, whatever). Plus challenge their knowledge by reminding them that only dumba$$es bash things they've never seen before. If they still say anime sucks, remind them that you're not the one who's watching reality tv or WWF. If the people you're arguing are into bets and the guy isn't too shady or a legalese trickster, bet him that he'll enjoy Grave of the Fireflies or he'll get ____________ (insert whatever he'll win or make you do). And you can always change the title to suit the person. That's my 2 cents for combatting anti-anime prejudices |
|||
|
|||
Arkard
 Posts: 677 Location: Poland |
|
||
|
About the bringing out Pokemon stuff.
People usually make the mistake that anime fans watch every damn anime there is out there in the world. The believe that all anime is for the same group of people. But it is not. Anime is just like "normal" (live) movies. There are ones made for the young audience (Pokemon, Beyblade and others) and some for little older, anime for people over 16 and even anime for adults only (I dont mean hentai only). If you are an anime fan it doesnt mean you have to like every anime. It is the same thing with other hobbies. If for exampel a person is a game fanatic - then what? Does he like EVERY possible game there is? NO! He has his fav types of games and only plays them. Same thing with anime fans. We dont watch EVERYTHING. Only the aniem titles of the certain genre that interests us. |
|||
|
|||
|
space clam
Posts: 636 |
|
||
|
It's just the way our country stereotypes animation in general as being childish or unintelligent. We assume animation to pander to a simple-minded audience, perhaps because we put comedy shows such as Futurama and South Park on TV as opposed to Vampire Hunter. This is the reason everyone sees at least 3 giant red stickers of doom on anime rentals saying "Not for children! Parental guidance stongly cautioned! You must be at least 17!" I would understand if this is how they treat Berserk, but it is just plain ridiculous to see these huge advisories on EDITTED Sailor Moon. (I kid you not: My Video Update had all its anime titles, from Cool Devices to Little Snow Fairy Sugar grouped on one rack which you could not rent from unless you were 18.) As I said before, it's because the majority of people view animation as "kid's stuff," and those who know of anime immediately group it as "crazy Japanese porn." This is the hill that anime's mainstream acceptance is walking up against.
Couldn't have said it better. There's Finding Nemo, and there's House of 1000 Corpses. That's the basis of most of my pro-anime arguments. |
|||
|
|||
Kanna no Mai
 Posts: 164 |
|
||
|
I have a question.
How do you defend anime against a close-minded christain who thinks anime is satanic? I wonder if there is any Christain anime out there. |
|||
|
|||
|
space clam
Posts: 636 |
|
||
|
Depends on how close-minded they are. I myself profess to be a Christian, but I certainly don't think anime in general is Satanic. Of course, there are some vampire ones that may be (maybe Descendants of Darkness), but then you JUST DON'T WATCH IT. If this person believes that alcohol and tobacco are Satan's food and the electric guitar is his flute, you won't win. Your friend is going to have a hard time living if he/she doens't realize that the world, as a whole, is evil.* I don't know of any Christian anime, probably because Japan is most decidedly not a Christian nation. Ask him/her if the Weather Channel is Satanic. It's not a Christian network, after all. Your friend is probably trying to convert you, as per our doctrine, but if she forces it on you, she's wrong. Politely explain that anime(in general) is just like (_____ insert name of network he/she likes which isn't Christian, but isn't demon worship as well) If it's his/her mission to convert you or else, remind them that they offer the truth,* but you have to find and accept it yourself.
*These are my religious views and mine alone. Religion is a touchy subject these days, and I don't want anyone thinking that it's my way or the highway.[Well, it kind of is, but that's what I believe.]) |
|||
|
|||
|
Kanna no Mai
Posts: 164 |
|
||
|
I myself profess to be a Christian, too. But I'm an open-minded, tolerant one. I asked that question because there are some christians who say anime is satanic because of the Buddhism and Shinto themes. And I don't have any close-mided friends.
|
|||
|
|||
|
Arkard
Posts: 677 Location: Poland |
|
||
|
OK.. lets start from the fact that I am catholic... (like 98% of Poland)
And really.. as for myself.. I didn't find any of the anime I saw to be satanic. Lets continue with another fact that the majority of japanese population are Buddhists/Shintoists/others and there is a very low percentage of Christians. So - if they use some satanic themese such as demons, devils, vampires then they dont do it to turn the yougner generation into long haired, perverted satan worshipers (and what the f*** is wrong with them - they have something againts long hair? well maybe its just around my block  ).
People must understand that the japanese do not know that some people find it..... morally wrogn to show demons killing (if not worse) young girls, good vampires (D, Alucard) etc... for example the West uses some Shintoist symbols as much as they wants in movies etc.... |
|||
|
|||
Tempest
 I Run this place.ANN Publisher  Posts: 10539 Location: Do not message me for support. |
|
||
There is no arguing with them unfortunately. Every religion has certain groups that believe that everything related to other religions/beliefs is inherently evil. There are also those among them that believe that fiction that involves such themes is also therefore inherently evil. Unless you can convince them otherwise (convince them to change a fundamental part of their belief) there is no way to convince them that there is anything redeeming about anime that involves such themes (be they major themes of the show, or just minor aspects of the show's settings). In otherwords, don't even try to convince them that Spirited Away is anything but evil. It's disgusting IMHO that people who worship a man/god/whatever that taught openmindedness themselves are so closed minded, irrespectful and xenophobic towards other beliefs. If you really want to convince them that anime is legitimate, try going around their beliefs as opposed to through them. Find out what sort of shows these people like, make a list of anime that meet these criteria and then carefully watch the shows to make sure that they contain no reference to anything that offends certain beliefs. Obvisouly anything involving the supernatural is out of the question. As them if all TV shows & movies are satanic, or only those that deal with non-christian spirituality. If they agree with the latter, then ask them if they'd recognize anime as a legitimate artform if you could show them several good shows that don't contain anything "satanic." If they agree, the end result should be "Some anime is satanic, some is good" just like TV & movies in general. -t |
|||
|
|||
Kazumei
 Posts: 70 Location: Indianapolis |
|
||
|
maybe u should make a thread and then on the thread people will like there nickname like mine is Kazumei and then when you think you have got enough print it out and show the people in your highschool that there are a lot of other people like you that watch anime. or maybe you should show them an anime. something really funny.
|
|||
|
|||
MelancholyDevil
 Posts: 311 Location: Louisiana |
|
||
That's one of the reasons why I became an atheist. Christains can lable anything they want Satanic, and if you challenge their arugement, you're a frickin Satanist. I can't stand those kinds of Christains. |
|||
|
|||
|
space clam
Posts: 636 |
|
||
|
For real. Of course, there's a spectrum of everything, and those kind of people are at the extremist end. Those are the people telling me that I'm a hypocrite because I play distortions on my steel guitar instead of playing a happy flute. How dare I think it's OK for guys and girls to live on the same CAMPUS? (
 Sarcasm!) If some Christian extremists want to make all kinds of crazy rules about Halloween for example(if you give candy to little kids you're going to hell, don't you know), that's fine. Leave me out of it, and let me read my Bible in peace. Only religious extremism that teaches violence is a real problem. The rest can be avoided.
|
|||
|
|||
|
BlueRaven12
Posts: 23 Location: The anime shrine aboard the Ulthwé Craftworld |
|
||
I'm not trying to be a snob, pessimist, or anything but that's not going to work. This is the internet, so those who-hate-anime will contest that this is a site that only attracts ___________ (insert negative stereotype). You'll also have to likely prove that there's a sizable amount of people from your area on the list, or else they won't be convinced. And if you do pull out an extremely long list of names, that's only going to turn them off (usually because you're pushing so hard to prove them wrong). Of course my predictions could be blatanly wrong, but this is based off of reactions and experiences I've had with anti-anime people and they will almost always find a way to dismiss a list of names. |
|||
|
|||
Kidotai
 Posts: 138 Location: one of those islands in the pacific |
|
||
|
Going on the "Christains Hate Anime" rant, I have a story from my Bookstore, where it seems you get all the whacko's and whatnot. (This is a second hand account from one of my fellow co-workers, whom witnessed this.)
We had a customer whom reserved Witch Hunter Robin and he came in one day to inquire about it. This young woman behind him began to talk to him about how he was buying a film that upheld christian morals and whatnot. (WTF?!?! - .ed) When my co-worker and the guy informed the woman it was Japanese Anime, the woman called both of them heretics and stormed off. Personally, I've had people accuse me of being a satanist when i'm sorting out Manga with "demonic themes." Some of the titles that got me into trouble with holier than thou customers: Battle Angel Alita (Why is the angel black?! That's demonic!!) Baby Birth Dragon Arms Magic Knight Rayearth Mobile Suit Gundam: Last Outpost (Yes, someone please explain this one to me how these Gundams are Demonic.) Love Hina (Damn Leaf Bikini....grrr...) Silent Mobius (They have the satanic symbol in their badge!!) Any manga with "Vampire" in their name Oddly enough, I have yet to get anyone all pissy about Demon Diary. |
|||
|
|||
 |
All times are GMT - 5 Hours |
|
|
|
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group