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Primus
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Ocean and Blue Water are fine. They do a bunch of work for Nelvana (third largest children's media company behind Disney, and Nick), Nerd Corps, Marathon, etc. They also do audio engineering for movies, live action shows, etc.
Zatch Bell and this are completely different cases. YTV removed Zatch Bell because they aired every single episode Viz dubbed into English. Viz never completed the series. With Bleach YTV was literally more then a year behind AdultSwim in terms of episode count. It was really bad. The situation is more similar to Blue Dragon, or MAR, or Case Closed, where they dropped the series without getting remotely close to the entirity of dubbed episodes. |
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BlackJaded
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Yes! But Disney acquired Marvel and it's possible Marvel but it's need to get permission from Disney to get those VA in Canada. Last edited by BlackJaded on Sun Feb 07, 2010 11:59 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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BlackJaded
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I would worry about them, because already I see them dropping off soon. Bluewater and Ocean Group are tanking badly of sales and even though Nelvana who owns them has an kept the money from them and already they are not paying the VA well as better than American VA's. I really see in the future for them to go down, but one thing is when? |
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Primus
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What are you talking about? Nelvana doesn't own them (I don't even know why'd you think this, if Nelvana owned them, why would they allow other companies to use them?). They're ADR studios, nothing more. They've been around for decades, and are one of the oldest studios known to R1 anime fans. I also don't understand why you're taking in pay, and sales, since those two things are directly related to the studios themselves. They're given budgets for their productions from the company they work for. If Bandai gives them $5000 to dub an episode of Gundam SEED Destiny Plus Ultimate Edition, then they've got to spread that $5000 across directors, actors, and script writers. Nor is any R1 anime company is going to say "This show bombed because we got Ocean to dub it", because that's just stupid. It was also mean that we would never see a dub from Odex, or many from Texas ever again. Since Odex has never had a successful R1 title, and almost every single title ADV had in it's catalog wasn't the best of sellers. |
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Buster Blader 126
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So it finally happened, huh.
Well, so long as Pokemon (or ANY kid-oriented anime) is still airing on the channel, I will still be tuning in. Though that, Pretty Cure and Dinosaur King S2 are indeed the only things I watch on that channel now. Hopefully 5D's will return in the coming months, as well. |
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enurtsol
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Another sign that the anime fad on NA TV is fading?
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The Overlord
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Yeah and voice actors like Kyle Hebert, Laura Bailey and Troy Baker moved from Texas to LA, because the wages for voice actors are better in LA, but no one is saying Funi will just run out of voice actors. If you are a voice actor in North America, you are going to have a strong pull to move to LA, because that's where most of the work is and the best wages. The latest Marvel DVD is done by half American voice actors and the other half is Canadian and the Canadian half of the cast is from Ocean's Group. I also believe that new Iron Man cartoon is voiced entirely by Ocean voice actors. Canadian voice actors are still cheaper then American ones, overall. Not to mention Canadian cartoons will still need voice actors and those voice actors will always be Canadian.
Disney really doesn't care if cartoon TV series are voiced by Americans or Canadians, as long as they are in English, ultimately. |
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utumo
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YTV has been a huge pile of fail for quite a while.
Canada needs a dedicated domestic anime channel (for old school anime, shojo, shonen, and for mature adults). YTV should just air Disney-related stuffs and European cartoon series. |
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ikillchicken
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I think you're being pretty unrealistic. At best, anime could work on TV only for the most mainstream stuff. It's worth having that stuff out there because there's actually a decent chance of people who stumble over it getting interested. Most of the stuff you're talking about is far too niche though. Sure, it would be fantastic for the fans but it's just not going to attract even vaguely significant interest even compared to other specialty channels. You're better off making that kind of anime available via streaming since the only audience is already going to pretty much be people who are familiar with it and will go looking for it. |
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bleachigo66
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(insert executive names here) Please don't let The Ocean Group go down before Inuyasha Kanketsu-hen gets a dub! 
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ConanSan
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BlackJaded
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I still forsee alot of Canadian VA heading to the US doing some work in the future, it doesn't matter how they role but after I seen some crappy shows from Nelvana. I'm really sure Canadians will head to US in California and Texas to work their asses off and will give an badass competition for the US. Maybe wrong but I know some Canadian VA is reading this thread would agree the same thing than just believing everything is alright. Just wait and watch the Canadians are coming. |
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pepper_gray
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I don't see why everyone is so bent out of shape. The article states that the channel was running reruns. If you've watched an entire series, do *you* tune in to watch it all, including the filler episodes, over and over again? I sure don't.
The problem isn't the TV station. They're doing what they need to do to maximize their advertising revenue and stay on the air, which is increasingly difficult for any TV station lately as they fight with a slew of other channels, as well as the Internet, for market share. The problem lies with the industry, really. There was an artificial abundance of shows a few years ago as companies rushed to get new series, as well as back catalogs, out the door as quickly as they could. Now we have no back catalog and we have to draw from what a niche industry in a small country can produce in one year, but we can't simulcast it too closely or we risk running out of programming when we need it, and we can't wait too long because then no one will watch it. If I were in charge of the world I'd love to see Elemental Gelade on broadcast TV. It's good enough that people will follow it for a season - and coincidentally, there's only one season, so advertisers will have something new to advertise during (with a higher buzz level because it's new) in a few months. Maybe we need to be pushing shorter shows rather than long series. |
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BlackJaded
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Unless they need to try to keep anime in their country again, from my view thats the only significance for Ocean Group and Bluewater getting better again. Stop doing crappy show about narrow high school life on other shows. For them anime was their lifetime instead of live action and stupid stage plays. You just cannot take Voice Actor out of the actor, you cannot do that. Scott Mcneil understands that. |
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Primus
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(Disney stuff is tied exclusively to Family channel, so they can't air that anyways) The problem with an anime channel is that it only supports the current fanbase. And as this thread, and news article proves, you can't just rely on current fanbase, especially one who's losing interest in the linear broadcast systems. I'd watch an anime channel provided it have some good programming, but would Little Timmy or his mother? Probably not. They'd likely watch a general network such as YTV, Teletoon or Family. It only caters to a niche, rather then builds it.
We actually have you beat even more if you count repeats; since we have Digimon: Data Squad on Family channel! Not to mention, I forgot Bakugan (I know right, how could I have forgotten about it?)! That said, I do know you guys in the UK have a lot of stuff air on some really obscure channels. I know some Pop channel was airing Pandalian, Mew Mew Power, the formerly Asia-only Transformers series, etc. And you probably get Bakugan, and Yu-Gi-Oh! over there as well. That said, come the fall when Pretty Cure, and Dinosaur King end, we'll be tied with Beyblade Metal Fusion (which is coming to YTV in Canada this year, and Nicktoons in the UK), potentially new Pokemon, potentially new Yu-Gi-Oh! 5Ds and potentially new Bakugan. Exciting, I know! |
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