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Mr Adventure
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You haven't heard about 'Real-Life Super-Heroes'? Its not exactly a 'trend' I suppose, but its been a part of the culture for a little while. Spawning a few films and I think at least one reality show. Samurai Flamenco looks like its about the Japanese equivalent. I'm actually curious why the wikipedia article doesn't mention a 'Real Super-Hero' presence in Japan, since next to the United States, Japan has the second strongest Super-Hero media culture in the world. |
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Player No. 3
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I agree. The episode was low-key, banking on it's characters to make the sell. For me it did; in particular, I think the chemistry between the leads feels organic. Definitely going to keep up with this one. |
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jsc315
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yea the chemistry between the 2 really sold me on this. I love that Hazama is completely delusional yet is fully aware of it which make the whole thing even more crazy. The man lives in his own fantasy world or at least wants to and yet is struggling with that he has to face reality. I have not had this much fun with a show in a very long time. I will be looking forward to this every week, |
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MaxSouth
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Gosh, how much do I hate smoking characters?
Outrageous ignorance and irresponsibility, cheap "coolness" factor as fanservice for oversmoking Japanese society's idea of "badass" characters. Such immoral thing as this is -- advertisement of torturing death (I have seen it with my own eyes) -- is allowed to be depicted, while perfectly moral and harmless things such as nudity and sex are banned. Fake hypocritical "morals" rule this industry. |
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getchman
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so what does that mean? watching or not watching?
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phia_one
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You're seriously bashing a character because he smokes? And I'm not sure where you're getting 'outrageous ignorance and irresponsibility' from if you're talking about the same character. |
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Yttrbio
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No, no, not bashing a character, bashing an entire industry culture. I mean, can't a guy throw a ridiculous, over-the-top condemnation of moral standards based on a cartoon writing decision without people twisting words?
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Mr Adventure
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You clearly missed the scene where smokers were admonished for breaking the law. It wasn't glamorous at all. |
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Dessa
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My father died of lung cancer after years of smoking. I myself am asthmatic, and heavily bothered by cigarette smoke. I live in a state where it is illegal to smoke within 25 feet of any establishment. But that's my culture. Not Japan's. I'm not going to push my beliefs and culture onto someone else just for an excuse to attack them, nor am I going to look at a character smoking and say that they're trying to "advertise torturing death" or make a character look "badass." It's just a character who happens to smoke. |
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CrowLia
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Seriously, are you even trying? Your nitpicking of every show you come across is becoming more ridiculous than it already was, and I didn't think that was possible. Just because someone smokes doesn't mean they're trying to look "baddass", your strawman accussations are so stupid they're not even funny. I wonder if you flip every time you go to the movies and see an on-screen character smoking. Smoking is a very common cliché for police officers, do you throw a tantrum at your TV every time you watch a Cop Drama? Just say you don't like the series and stop pestering the rest of the world with you absurd complaints |
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jsc315
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It's best to ignore him and just let him believe in his fantasy. |
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MaxSouth
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jsc315, CrowLia:
Stay "classy", discussing opponent, instead of opponent's argument. I am sure you are proud of yourself, doing it over and over again.
Any positive character is role model for children. I obviously wrote about the issue in general terms. but even in this concrete anime smoking thing becomes part of an image of being "grown-up" and "adult". Culture per se is one thing, but whether such culture is harmful or not is another. There is culture in some Middle Eastern regions to kill women if they had sex before marriage -- sometimes even if it is not confirmed -- because it "smears honour of the family". Countless women killed every year; some of them are forced into suicides, others even get buried alive by their own fathers and brothers. This is ancient, highly respected culture in those regions, but it does not make it any better than it is. So, as you see, there is no rational way to buy the argument that harmful culture practices should not be critiqued. Also, there is no way how anyone of us here, including myself, could possibly "push" any beliefs onto anyone else. None of us here are anywhere that powerful. But yet to pretend that harmful culture traditions are all right, to feel indifferent that as result some children might turn into smokers that would die horrible deaths is not for everyone; not for myself. Thus no, I am not taking critique for voicing such important issues as this. And I am not forcing anyone to agree with me, so why you are trying to hush me with those "look at me, I keep silent" arguments? |
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Mr Adventure
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Are you going to acknowledge my argument that the show actively painted a target on irresponsible smokers? Or are you just going to ignore it out of moral superiority?
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Keonyn
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Let's try to stay on topic. If you want discuss a character and how his smoking is a bad cliche or even setting a bad example then go ahead, that is fair territory. However let's not turn this in to a sweeping discussion on the evils of smoking and so on, keep it relevant to the topic. And this goes for everyone, as MaxSouth may have broached the topic he is hardly the only to engage on it or even post entirely on it.
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We can do without the personal attacks. Address the posters points or simply ignore the post, but straying in to what is essentially the "you are...." stages is entering in to direct attack territory on other posters. If you seriously don't like how someone presents themselves or feel their opinion has no credibility then ignore them, but we don't need to turn these discussions in to not just a discussion about something off-topic, but about specific posters and how or what they post as well. |
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CrowLia
Posts: 5505 Location: Mexico |
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^Just FTR, in no instance did I "attack" MaxSouth. I called his arguments for shenanigans, not once did I call him "X or Y". And I even explained why I thought his "criticism" was full of BS. If I see someone picking on a show with ridiculous arguments ("a smoker is a main character, INDUSTRY HIPOCRISY") of course I'm going to call them out on it. It's like saying: "Kotetsu shows up drinking alcohol a lot in T&B, so the show is telling kids that drinking alcohol is what heroes do and it must be burnt in hell for promoting unhealthy alcohol consumption"
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