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NEWS: NISA to Release Mugen Souls Z in N. America, Europe in 2014


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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:11 pm Reply with quote
RyanSaotome wrote:
Its a different market. In Japan where violence isn't as accepted, you have major titles like Gears of War and Fallout censoring decapitations, for example. America is against sexual material, so because of the game ratings, sometimes you need to make edits.


So it's either release this or release AO (maybe for digital, but not for physical as they don't have leverage with shops, so they'll have 2 separate SKUs).


Cecilthedarkknight_234 wrote:

well fallout 3 had it's reasons for the edits such as the nuke megaton quest and the weapon fat-man "that was the name of the bomb we dropped on Nagasaki". So in all fairness I can see why they would want to censor that.


One would think those who'd buy those games are open-minded enough what to expect.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:40 pm Reply with quote
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Cecilthedarkknight_234 wrote:
However on the case of mugen souls after watching the video with the bathing scenes of rubbing banana's across a loli's face and along the cg sets of the characters in "near nude" or "provocative poses" you can unlock. Nisa had to cut or censor in some format to for a western release. Warning video is NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sraAcJjy-w


Saw the video. Still feel that the censorship is unacceptable (especially when you take into account what razisgosu stated).


Yeah but I want to air on the side of caution for political and gaming stigmata sake. You do realize this has to go before a board of people to be judged on all of it's objectionable content to get a rating from the esrb rating right?? I don't think the ESRB are open minded as other people are and this would mostly like give this an A/O rating.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:28 am Reply with quote
Cecilthedarkknight_234 wrote:
Shiratori1 wrote:
Cecilthedarkknight_234 wrote:
However on the case of mugen souls after watching the video with the bathing scenes of rubbing banana's across a loli's face and along the cg sets of the characters in "near nude" or "provocative poses" you can unlock. Nisa had to cut or censor in some format to for a western release. Warning video is NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sraAcJjy-w


Saw the video. Still feel that the censorship is unacceptable (especially when you take into account what razisgosu stated).


Yeah but I want to air on the side of caution for political and gaming stigmata sake. You do realize this has to go before a board of people to be judged on all of it's objectionable content to get a rating from the esrb rating right?? I don't think the ESRB are open minded as other people are and this would mostly like give this an A/O rating.


An A/O rating would not be a negative thing. The fans who are going to buy this could care less what rating it has. It is the fans who are the target market, not the mainstream market.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:50 am Reply with quote
Thid wouldnt get rated A/O by the ESRB even with the loli scenes. GTA V is M and it has raw dicks, bare tits, extreme violence including a very explicit torture scene among other things. If anything it would be rated M which theyre probably trying to avoid.

Bottom line is its completely anti consumer and NISA will see lost sales because of it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:14 am Reply with quote
It's not anti-consumer.

It's not because America is against sex as a rule. Underage sex is a different thing.

NISA is just trying to cover their ass. How dare they do that! How dare they try to avoid any problems so that they can continue bringing out those niche games that so many other companies are just begging to bring out.

Is the removal of a irrelevant mini game enough to throw out a perfectly fine localization? Sounds kind of ridiculous.

"THIS NICE AND TASTY CAKE DOESN'T HAVE THOSE SMALL HARDLY TASTEABLE SPRINKLES SCREW IT ALL"

Though I wonder if they released it without edits would it even gain any attention. Not like Persona 3 ever did. These are super niche games that probably fly under the radar.

TarsTarkas wrote:


An A/O rating would not be a negative thing. The fans who are going to buy this could care less what rating it has. It is the fans who are the target market, not the mainstream market.
Yes it would. Beyond how the console holders allow what get's published. It's doubtful most retailers would stock the game. I'm sure Gamestop is were many fans by these games.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:15 am Reply with quote
TarsTarkas wrote:
Cecilthedarkknight_234 wrote:
Shiratori1 wrote:
Cecilthedarkknight_234 wrote:
However on the case of mugen souls after watching the video with the bathing scenes of rubbing banana's across a loli's face and along the cg sets of the characters in "near nude" or "provocative poses" you can unlock. Nisa had to cut or censor in some format to for a western release. Warning video is NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sraAcJjy-w


Saw the video. Still feel that the censorship is unacceptable (especially when you take into account what razisgosu stated).


Yeah but I want to air on the side of caution for political and gaming stigmata sake. You do realize this has to go before a board of people to be judged on all of it's objectionable content to get a rating from the esrb rating right?? I don't think the ESRB are open minded as other people are and this would mostly like give this an A/O rating.


An A/O rating would not be a negative thing. The fans who are going to buy this could care less what rating it has. It is the fans who are the target market, not the mainstream market.


You do realize Sony refuses to allow AO rated games to release on their systems, right?
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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:11 am Reply with quote
Rahxephon91 wrote:

It's not because America is against sex as a rule. Underage sex is a different thing.


The West, not just America, is quite sensitive to depictions of underage sexualization. Once they're of age, they could whore them out for all they care - but not before.


RyanSaotome wrote:
TarsTarkas wrote:

An A/O rating would not be a negative thing. The fans who are going to buy this could care less what rating it has. It is the fans who are the target market, not the mainstream market.

You do realize Sony refuses to allow AO rated games to release on their systems, right?


It's not the consumers; it's the gatekeepers that matter in this case.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:31 am Reply with quote
Rahxephon91 wrote:
It's not anti-consumer.

It's not because America is against sex as a rule. Underage sex is a different thing.

NISA is just trying to cover their ass. How dare they do that! How dare they try to avoid any problems so that they can continue bringing out those niche games that so many other companies are just begging to bring out.

Is the removal of a irrelevant mini game enough to throw out a perfectly fine localization? Sounds kind of ridiculous.

"THIS NICE AND TASTY CAKE DOESN'T HAVE THOSE SMALL HARDLY TASTEABLE SPRINKLES SCREW IT ALL"

Though I wonder if they released it without edits would it even gain any attention. Not like Persona 3 ever did. These are super niche games that probably fly under the radar.

TarsTarkas wrote:


An A/O rating would not be a negative thing. The fans who are going to buy this could care less what rating it has. It is the fans who are the target market, not the mainstream market.
Yes it would. Beyond how the console holders allow what get's published. It's doubtful most retailers would stock the game. I'm sure Gamestop is were many fans by these games.


Its completely anti consumer. Its the very definition. Japan gets the full game. Everyone else gets a censored uncomplete game. That is being anti consumer to everyone not from Japan.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:49 am Reply with quote
To be anti-consumer would to not bring the game at all and to say screw you we don't care about you.

They are doing this to actually release the game. NISA can't help the different culture climates between Japan and the US.

You want them to release it and then have them catch heat because their game has "child pornography" in it? That would be cool, I guess no more Mugen Souls games or maybe games from NISA in general. That would be nice.

This entire complaining from people like you is extremely childish. You're getting the game. They aren't trying to radically change it or downplay where it's from. They are doing probably as little changes as possible for the fans, so they can actually release the game for........the fans.

You don't want it? I guess import it. Pay more money for a game (maybe) you can't understand all because they took out an irrelevant mini game. Do you need to see loli's in sexually suggestive situations and positions that much? Does this game suck that much that that becomes it's main appeal?

"Oh it's about the principals"

No it really isn't. Because it's not like NISA is trying to censor and change the whole game. It's not even like they are trying to butcher it so they can sell to the mainstream crowd.


Anti-Consumerism is something else entirely.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:01 am Reply with quote
Its not child pornography in any shape or form. Not even close. So theres no problem there. Again they are releasing an incomplete product for fans outside Japan. That is anti consumer to anyone not Japanese. There is no way around that.

The game could be released as is and it would be perfectly fine. Various other games release loli bathing scenes and catch no flak from it whatsoever.

Censorship is never the answer and the sooner these Japanese companies learn that the better.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:06 am Reply with quote
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Its not child pornography in any shape or form. Not even close. So theres no problem there.
That's why I put the apostrophes. That bath minigame could easily be misinterperted as child pornogophy by anyone not ingrained in this kind of stuff. There's no problem? No, it's not quite that clear cut.

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Again they are releasing an incomplete product for fans outside Japan. That is anti consumer to anyone not Japanese. There is no way around that.
Again it really isn't. They aren't doing it to say "screw you fans". They are doing it because they think they need to in order to release it.

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The game could be released as is and it would be perfectly fine. Various other games release loli bathing scenes and catch no flak from it whatsoever.
What other games..

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Censorship is never the answer and the sooner these Japanese companies learn that the better
It's a lot better then not getting the game. But if you rather they not release the game at all...well I guess thats fine to.
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The Arland Atelier series comes to mind. Agarest comes to mind. Also as I understand it they are removing the clothed bathing mini game but keeping in the nude hot springs scenes. If they're keeping one there's really no reason they can't keep the other.

Youre right we are getting the game. But I wont support censorship so I wont buy it. If you or anyone else will buy it regardless, good on you.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:06 am Reply with quote
@RyanSaotome

The game was released by Sony in Japan, in its uncut form. So Sony has no problem with the content. NISA is the only one in the U.S. that would have to care about the rating. In the end, the only people in the U.S. who would buy the game is the fans who already know all about it already.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:14 am Reply with quote
RyanSaotome wrote:
Its a different market. In Japan where violence isn't as accepted, you have major titles like Gears of War and Fallout censoring decapitations, for example. America is against sexual material, so because of the game ratings, sometimes you need to make edits.


That's true, Japan and US censor each other games. So how is that any different, I guess fair is fair, US censor Japanese game, and Japan censor American games, also Japan has censor US games if it has nudity too:

Mafia 2 playboy magazine censor in Japan

Far Cry 3 sex scene censored in Japan

Even Call of Duty is not even immune to the censorship in Japan:

Modern Warfare 2

Black Ops

Black Ops 2


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:22 am Reply with quote
TarsTarkas wrote:
@RyanSaotome

The game was released by Sony in Japan, in its uncut form. So Sony has no problem with the content. NISA is the only one in the U.S. that would have to care about the rating. In the end, the only people in the U.S. who would buy the game is the fans who already know all about it already.
That's not how it works.

What happens in one region doesn't mean it will go the same here. The Cero had to rate the game in Japan. Here the ESRB would have to rate it and if it did get an AO rating Sony America would deny it and retailers wouldn't stock it.
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