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Bvick00
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Sure Crunchyroll really f**ked up with this show in terms of that god awful 2018 trailer which was damn insulting to us anime fans, assigning a low budget and failing to release the show on time, but come on, the people who worked on this show aren't entirely blameless,for this show has some of the most cringe inducing dialogues I have seen in a long time. When people on YouTube make fan rewrite animatics of the show with much better written dialogue than the show, you really have to look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself 'what the f**k did we do wrong'. Also one of the rewrites in question was for the trans reveal scene of Professor Caraway who just so happened to be voiced by the series creator, Raye Rodriguez, so yeah. Trans reveal scene rewrite animatic (for reference) : https://youtu.be/H2eKj4Ju0AA Side note : One of the writers who worked on the show, Kate Leth, is a well known misandrist, hence possibly the garbage treatment of some of the male characters in the show |
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mangamuscle
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If there were some expected profit from releasing HGS on disc, it would make sense for creators to correct any mistakes before the final release. As it is, revisionitis is a common disease, where creators resist to accept there is a deadline to deliver a product and in the meantime they might ask for compensation for the extra time & effort spent, that is how many budgets magically balloon out of proportion. |
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Madster
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I guess that industry insider who posted here a while back was right all along.
My take on this is that Crunchyroll doomed both shows from the start. Crunchyroll lacked experience and resources to make original content out of Burbank, and that doesn't even include the disasterous marketing for High Guardian Spice. I wouldn't say Onyx Equinox or High Guardian Spice are 10/10 instant classics, but I can tell the passion was there. In the end, Sofia Alexander and Raye Rodriguez got dealt a bad hand. Both didn't deserve to have their work torn to shreds because it wasn't "true anime", and I hope they can move forward from this. I guess SONY taking over and the lack of any projects from Crunchyroll Studios Burbank means that it is a only matter of time before we hear the death of the studio. |
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HappyMN
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You should try watching Shoujo Kageki Revue Starlight I'm sure you'll like it 
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MFrontier
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It seemed like these shows were doomed to fail in some regards.
I've heard HGS had a lot of issues, especially on an execution and writing level, but maybe that was because of budget issues. It's a wonder Onyx Equinox turned out as well as it did. |
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BadNewsBlues
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Yeah you might want to take this sorry excuse for a take back to the pre 10’s where it belongs. If anything ruined or rather has nearly ruined these mediums it’s people gatekeeping and soap boxing often times with blatantly discriminatory rhetoric that they insist isn’t what it seems.
And then cancel it after one season. |
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WANNFH
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Well, even with that, the fact that they went to making storyboards of the episode before finishing the actual script is just one major screw-up of the production pipeline by default - and you cannot put the blame for that to just funding problems: actually, that make the financial problems even messier than they were in the beginning.
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AmpersandsUnited
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So does this mean we can officially put to rest the old "budget != animation quality" argument people have been making for many years now? Seems we heard it straight from the source that low or mismanaged budget leads to low quality work.
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invalidname
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Regardless of the merits of the shows -- something that in the case of HGS draws a lot of bad actors and bad faith arguments to the discussion -- it's kind of an amazing self-own that Crunchyroll would go to the trouble of making a big-deal "Originals" brand, and then underfund the actual shows.
There's a legitimate business reason for Crunchyroll to make originals: being dependent on licensing leaves them at risk of being outbid for new shows (lookin' at you, HIDIVE), which is their raison d'être. Netflix went through the same thing a decade ago: their streaming library was only viable because of a time-limited deal with Starz, and they decided it was an existential threat not to own their own stuff. Or, as is often quoted, "we need to become HBO, before HBO can become us." Granted, I'm not crazy about this line of thinking because I'm a lot more interested in the anime available through Crunchyroll than in Crunchyroll, the company. But I get how this is in Crunchyroll's self-interest. But if you're gonna do it, do it right. Spend some money and apply some quality control. Instead, both in terms of western production and co-productions with Japan, Callum May said it best: Crunchyroll Originals Have Been A Disaster. I mean, c'mon, EX-ARM was a Crunchyroll Original. Did nobody in the company have the sense early on to see that this was going to be a fiasco and put a stop to it? |
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Ermat_46
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If I'm not reading this mistakenly, they unionized Crunchyroll Studios Burbank, but only with no projects left after Onyx Equinox?
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SilverTalon01
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I think Crunchy set themselves up to fail with their own bad decisions from the moment they accepted the project. They went off brand with what from this article sounds like an inexperienced bunch. You can try to blame that on the budget, but the article essentially confirms that when talking about the improvements that were made from the HGS experience when it came to Onyx. Weak idea powered by people who didn't know what they were doing results in a bad product. Shocking. I fully understand that all creators have to start somewhere, and Crunchy pitched the originals so hard that HGS never had a chance at living up to that with what was behind the production. Part of what they lacked was budget, but that isn't all. |
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livin_large
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That comment did seem odd because literally every American cartoon made these days has LGBT stuff in it. If anything, it's rarer to find shows that don't. Comic books too, where DC and Marvel seem to announce every other week that a superhero has comes out as gay. These shows would have fit right in on Cartoon Network or Netflix with no problem at all so it's puzzling why Crunchyroll was so vital to their work outside of wanting to be labeled "anime". |
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Hiroki not Takuya
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Got such a kick at the quote about what to blame "(bad) writing? Budget". That would make sense if somehow writers were forced to finish work in X (small number) hours because they were paid Y (another small number) $/hr. But I'm confident that isn't the case and a good writer can write a lot of story outline and text per hour. I believe the real problem was that the writers had a message they were determined to hammer home and lost sight of the fact that a story has to have relatable characters, believable and completely plotted motivations and a lot of other things other than The Message for people to like it. Don't like the resulting story because of multiple writing deficiencies? Your a Hater apparently...
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lossthief
ANN Reviewer
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I take it you've never had to write for a project like this, then, because yes that is absolutely a part of it. Writing is one of the most time-consuming parts of preproduction on any sort of TV show, but especially for animation because the script dictates everything that gets, y'know, drawn. Less money = less writers = less time to get each individual screenplay done because now your main showrunners are also having to hammer out the script while handling everything else that goes into a show before animation production starts. Professional level fiction writing, on the scale of a full-length season of TV, isn't something a couple people can do in a few days or weeks, and if the production hasn't been given the budget to afford a long enough pre-production, every part of the production pipeline that follows is going to suffer. |
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ATastySub
Past ANN Contributor
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Well thank you for explaining that you believe the writing process functions differently than it does in real life. Since it doesn’t work how you believe then the rest of your speculation can be safely ignored. |
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