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NEWS: 4Kids' Losses Mount in Second Quarter

DOWN WITH 4KIDS ! They ruined one piece and even shows like SM had some big plot changes. Thanks funimation for bringing back one piece! Sorry just had to rant.

I love how none of you mention Toei's involvement in the editing, and localization of a certain show about Pirates. Toei is as much at fault, as is 4Kids.

Primus wrote:

I love how none of you mention Toei's involvement in the editing, and localization of a certain show about Pirates. Toei is as much at fault, as is 4Kids.

-stares- I didn't know Toei had involvement in it. I just thought it was 4Kids.

-feels dumb now- >.<

Daimao Raki wrote:

They need to stop relying on card games, even though they have been big money makers in the past. Although I wouldn't be suprised if 4Kids went under in the next few years. Would be nice to see Viz get most of their licenses.

Couldn't've said it better myself, hon. Viz or FUNi could really breathe new life into some childhood favorites, which I think would bring a smile to any new or veteran fan's face.

Don't get me wrong, now. Even with the problems folks've had with 4Kids, and I understand and even agree with for the most part, I still found certain dubs, like Shaman King's, to be fairly well done and, at times, a very funny and enjoyable experience. I can recall a set of lines from one ep. wherein Horohoro (dubbed Trey, yes, that was one of the more ridiculous ones) made a sarcastic remark to the effect of, "Ooh. Mamy and Daddy are fighting again!" when referring to two of his friends. That genuinely made me laugh and I still smile when remembering today.

But as I aforementioned, as much as I cherished their shows as a kid and still do nostalgically (yes, I'll still defend them from that standpoint, at least), I'd feel phenomenally better if their titles, such as Shaman King, Cardcaptor Sakura, Tokyo Mew Mew etc. were "rescued" so to speak by another North American anime company and given the re-start that FUNi has so graciously given One Piece. That would make me overjoyed. A company like that has really shown us, I believe, how much they respect the material they're handling, whether that be in regards to the cultural references, char. nuances, or overall storyline, and sadly that is something that sadly, time and time again, 4Kids-- even as far back as they were called the FoxBox-- has shown that they won't or can't do.

Aura Ichadora wrote:

Primus wrote: I love how none of you mention Toei's involvement in the editing, and localization of a certain show about Pirates. Toei is as much at fault, as is 4Kids. -stares- I didn't know Toei had involvement in it. I just thought it was 4Kids. -feels dumb now- >.<

Don't beat yourself up about it. I didn't know either until about 6 months ago.

But I'll need pics, interviews, articles galore before you have me believe Oda was happy with this. I do know he helped with the Funimation dub, so at least the new definitive version has his stamp of approval!

I love how none of you mention Toei's involvement in the editing, and localization of a certain show about Pirates. Toei is as much at fault, as is 4Kids.

GeneralArrow wrote:

DOWN WITH 4KIDS ! They ruined one piece and even shows like SM had some big plot changes. Thanks funimation for bringing back one piece! Sorry just had to rant.

If by SM, you mean Sailormoon then that wasn't 4Kids, that was DiC, who later got funding for the dub by Nelvana, before Toei felt like pulling the plug. Which hurt because ADV was releasing the show Uncut. The same situation happened for Saint Seiya/Knights Of The Zodiac, where DiC created the TV dub, but ADV was releasing it Uncut, but again, Toei had to pull the show back.

Back to 4Kids, I really want to see how Kamen Rider faires on their CW4Kids block, the same goes for Yu-Gi-Oh! 5Ds, but I don't have a CW affilate.

@Buster Blader, reason why those shows had decent dubs were because the Transformers shows were co-productions with Takara, and Beyblade was handled by Nelvana.

The difference with Nelvana is that the only series they licensed (and not co-produced, as is the case with Bakugan, and Pandalian) that hasn't got an Uncut release is Medabots. Card Captors was released Uncut by Geneon, these discs are long out of print, the episodes of Sailormoon they paid for were the first to be released Uncut by Geneon, these are out of print, and Beyblade G-Revolution had a short-lived Uncut release with FUNimation, but sadly FUNimation stopped releasing the series after 6 volumes, containing 18 episodes(which 6 of those were released in Japanese/English), and a seventh volume was solicited to be Uncut, but never released to my knowledge. Bakugan still has time, but Nelvana is definately different then 4kids.

With Toei, they had control over a lot of things, the name changes were mostly Toei's doing. But think about this for a second, FUNimation told us at Otakon that they are not responsible for TV deals for One Piece, but rather, Toei is. Toei is incredibly involved.

Daimao Raki wrote:

They need to stop relying on card games, even though they have been big money makers in the past. Although I wouldn't be suprised if 4Kids went under in the next few years. Would be nice to see Viz get most of their licenses.

Couldn't've said it better myself, hon. Viz or FUNi could really breathe new life into some childhood favorites, which I think would bring a smile to any new or veteran fan's face.

This all said, I'm standing right here, with my arms streched out, ready to give 4kids a fair deal of money for Ulitmate Muscle boxsets and a boxset of Shaman King.