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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:20 am Reply with quote
iamthatdizzy wrote:
*sigh* i hate 4kids... I knew this would happen... new sit back and watch One Piece bomb, as for TMM... it shall do the same thing! well, maybe not... but i think we need to bombard 4kids hq and kick the living hell out of their CEO until he agrees to release Uncut, un edited, un altered DVDs of both shows!

WHO'S WITH ME!


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:34 am Reply with quote
iamthatdizzy wrote:
well, maybe not... but i think we need to bombard 4kids hq and kick the living hell out of their CEO until he agrees to release Uncut, un edited, un altered DVDs of both shows!

WHO'S WITH ME!


I'm not.

Y'know, you could go the less childish route and politely ask (and I stress POLITELY) through phonecalls & letters that 4Kids & FUNimation option to release these titles uncut just as they're doing with Yu-Gi-Oh! & Shaman King. Get as many people involved in this polite and civil letter-writing/phone-calling campaign, 4Kids & FUNi will realise a market for uncut & subbed releases exists, and they'll give it to you.

Pulling the same old whiny "OMG 4KIDS R SUCK WE KIK THER BUTTS" nonsense that you're exhibiting now will get you where it's gotten everybody else with that attitude: nowhere.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:40 am Reply with quote
GATSU wrote:
One Piece was obviously picked up to cash in on Pirates of the Caribbean. Although waiting a year later to air it might hurt it. Plus Pirates played it straight, while One Piece is going for a comedy angle, confusing newbies into thinking OP is a parody of the film, when it's not.



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 2:57 pm Reply with quote
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(Question : is Zoro being voiced by the same guy who does Seto Kaiba's voice?)


Personally, I kinda thought that Zoro sounded like Amidamaru (Shaman King)... but then that might have been because I saw the preview during the Shaman King episodes.

I also thought that Luffy sounded too young... and was it just me or was it kinda girly too? I was kinda expecting something more... kid-Goku like. Or teenage-like... I mean, Ash sounds older and that just seems wrong.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 3:13 pm Reply with quote
iamthatdizzy wrote:
*sigh* i hate 4kids... I knew this would happen... new sit back and watch One Piece bomb,


Based on what? A few seconds of Luffy screaming at the top of his lungs? Come on folks, do you really expect him to sound like that throughout the entire show? There are times when he's quite a bit more serious, wait until you've actually seen the show before atempting to crucify 4Kids. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 3:33 pm Reply with quote
Well, I voted for MewMew even though One Piece is the greatest, if I'm ever awake that early on Saturday, I'd rather see something I haven't seen... and F-Zero seem boring :p.

w00t, Catgirls! How is MewMew compare to Sailor Moon anyways? I like Sailor Moon too.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:52 pm Reply with quote
I think it is quiet sad the disjustice 4kids has been able to get away with. they have butchered now 6 anime series and have the nerve to claim that anime is a children's medium. At the same time they work hard at trying to cover up as much of the Japanese culture that is reflected in these series. God forbid we allow anyone in the US to be introduced to another cultures ideas, values, and mythology.

Personally I am mad, actually pissed that another series I enjoyed, One Piece, which should be getting distributed by a real anime distribution company like ADV, Viz, or even Media Blasters has been bought and butchered by a company which in all ways comes across as xenophobic. Who do not acknowledge anime as a more mature animation/art form. Who go out of there way to keep down the possibility that their can ever be TV shows on US television that have more body and intellectual intrigue in both story, performances, and style.

Aside form that 4kids goes out its way to dumb down the plots, ideas and characters of these shows, when such things are not needed. Yet when they are caught on this, they claim they are editing violent or inappropriate content. In my book we call that BS. If that is what they are doing, then how in god’s name did Ultimate Muscle (Kinnikuman) get on the air, and still have some of its more mature bathroom hummer still in tack, while the meanings and morals of the story totally lost.

In the end I am ready to crucify 4kids, they are a sleazy company who are only putting a bad name on anime and adding to the already in place speculations the common public have on Japanese animation, such as it being violent, pornographic, and possibly immoral, that it is also a medium just for children. they have helped successfully make the common public see anime only in black and whit and not to see the many shades of gray that exist. A company like this should not be allowed to be in business and especially to get the copyrights to series like One Piece, Yu-Gi-Oh and Shaman King. Yet, if these shows have to be put on TV, which I am all for, they should not be edited as they have been. I can understand, taking out some blood and language, but the plot, characters, and ideas should stay in place, even if they may be a little more mature. Children need to learn that the world isn't so small that their is allot out their, besides they already are exposed to this stuff on late night TV and the News. Instead, the story is gone and all that is left is a repetitious gimmick to get children to go out and get their folks to buy them toys and cards based of these shows. The whole entertainment value of the show is lost and what we get in place is a show based on selling toys and pushing the violence that they claim to have been editing out.

So what's next on 4kids list to mutilate, Naruto? With my luck I am sure it is.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:54 pm Reply with quote
Nagisa wrote:
iamthatdizzy wrote:
well, maybe not... but i think we need to bombard 4kids hq and kick the living hell out of their CEO until he agrees to release Uncut, un edited, un altered DVDs of both shows!

WHO'S WITH ME!


I'm not.

Y'know, you could go the less childish route and politely ask (and I stress POLITELY) through phonecalls & letters that 4Kids & FUNimation option to release these titles uncut just as they're doing with Yu-Gi-Oh! & Shaman King. Get as many people involved in this polite and civil letter-writing/phone-calling campaign, 4Kids & FUNi will realise a market for uncut & subbed releases exists, and they'll give it to you.

Pulling the same old whiny "OMG 4KIDS R SUCK WE KIK THER BUTTS" nonsense that you're exhibiting now will get you where it's gotten everybody else with that attitude: nowhere.


yeah, i know... I just was kinda pissed off at the moment... I would like to see OP and TMM uncut unaltered unedited DVDs but truthfully, even if we do ask 4kids to do this for the anime otaku's out there, like me, they STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR THE BOMB YU-GI-OH THE MOVIE WILL BE! Ok, well, maybe not, mut maybe! Well, i just hope that the ratings for the shows aren't as bad as the ending to DOOM3... cause the ending to that sucked... so, i guess lets hope for the best and uh... um... watch the shows... ro record them with a computer or PVR... like I am gonna...
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:54 pm Reply with quote
Shiki MSHTS wrote:
Good gravy. Poor F-Zero. It's getting slaughtered in the polls. =/

Am I the only person in existance who likes that series? =/


Not the only person, but one of the few. Most reviews I've seen of F-Zero have given it either an "F" or a "Zero".

Not that I'm saying you shouldn't like it. I just thought that line up in the shower and couldn't resist using it.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:59 pm Reply with quote
GallenStorm wrote:
I think it is quiet sad the disjustice 4kids has been able to get away with. they have butchered now 6 anime series and have the nerve to claim that anime is a children's medium. At the same time they work hard at trying to cover up as much of the Japanese culture that is reflected in these series. God forbid we allow anyone in the US to be introduced to another cultures ideas, values, and mythology.

Personally I am mad, actually pissed that another series I enjoyed, One Piece, which should be getting distributed by a real anime distribution company like ADV, Viz, or even Media Blasters has been bought and butchered by a company which in all ways comes across as xenophobic. Who do not acknowledge anime as a more mature animation/art form. Who go out of there way to keep down the possibility that their can ever be TV shows on US television that have more body and intellectual intrigue in both story, performances, and style.

Aside form that 4kids goes out its way to dumb down the plots, ideas and characters of these shows, when such things are not needed. Yet when they are caught on this, they claim they are editing violent or inappropriate content. In my book we call that BS. If that is what they are doing, then how in god’s name did Ultimate Muscle (Kinnikuman) get on the air, and still have some of its more mature bathroom hummer still in tack, while the meanings and morals of the story totally lost.

In the end I am ready to crucify 4kids, they are a sleazy company who are only putting a bad name on anime and adding to the already in place speculations the common public have on Japanese animation, such as it being violent, pornographic, and possibly immoral, that it is also a medium just for children. they have helped successfully make the common public see anime only in black and whit and not to see the many shades of gray that exist. A company like this should not be allowed to be in business and especially to get the copyrights to series like One Piece, Yu-Gi-Oh and Shaman King. Yet, if these shows have to be put on TV, which I am all for, they should not be edited as they have been. I can understand, taking out some blood and language, but the plot, characters, and ideas should stay in place, even if they may be a little more mature. Children need to learn that the world isn't so small that their is allot out their, besides they already are exposed to this stuff on late night TV and the News. Instead, the story is gone and all that is left is a repetitious gimmick to get children to go out and get their folks to buy them toys and cards based of these shows. The whole entertainment value of the show is lost and what we get in place is a show based on selling toys and pushing the violence that they claim to have been editing out.

So what's next on 4kids list to mutilate, Naruto? With my luck I am sure it is.


1. Yes, 4kids does attempt to hide 100% of all japanese culture in all of their butered anime
2. yes, they do make anime have a bad name
3. EVERYONE BUT OTAKU'S THINKS ANIME IS F*CKING PORN! (I.E. I had a graphic novel... i think it was uh.. Trigun... because the teacher thought it was porn... no wait, it was LH...)
4.NAURTO being 4kids would be like the devil rising from hell and killing everyone and everything!!!! God would there be conciquences if they did that!
5. Yes, they are gonna screw up EVERYTHING in OP and TMM.. thats 4kids for ya
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 5:12 pm Reply with quote
yet what gets me is that One Peice is just as popular, actually it has a fan following that DB/DBZ had back in the 80's and ealry 90's. Both here and thier, so why is no one saying anything?

It'd like everyone just dosen't care.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 5:30 pm Reply with quote
I've begun to realise 4Kids is in it 4Money, and likely doesn't care 4Fans, or 4Opinions about their dubs. No matter how godawful their dubs are, we have to come to expect this, since 4Kids is 4KIDS, and they target their shows at a Y7 audience. Most of the times, these shows aren't things that Y7 audiences should see, if they were left in their Japanese format, but, 4Kids makes them FOR KIDS. So what else would you expect from a company well known for dumbing-down and Americanizing shows?

Personally, I think most of the time what they do to shows is awful. But, what 4Kids is doing is also allowing anime to gain attention. If they hadn't dubbed Pokemon, anime would be a lot less mainstream, and have half as many fans, from what I believe, atleast. Pokemon started something, even if it was due to 4Kids and their idea of a dub.

Since this isn't about 4Kids, and rather the trailers, I'll shut up. Though, while I don't support 4Kids, I can't exactly hate them entirely. Their dubs may tread the line of something that needs to be burned, but, they still do a lot of good for some aspects of the anime world.

Anyway, as for the trailers...I need to hear more to decide anything. Luffy's voice sounds familiar, but I can't put a finger on it. Zoro sounds like someone from .hack--I want to say Bear or Krim, almost.

As for 'Mew Mew Power', it looks interesting, too. I've never seen/read Tokyo Mew Mew, but I think I might give the dub a chance. Granted, I know the names are butchered--but, it doesn't sound like something that'll make my ears bleed.

Hopefully the VAs will all fall into habit of making their voices sound like they fit the characters.

God forbid they end up like Yuugiou, where, nearly 130 episodes in, all of the VAs yell their lines at each other.
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Dudes, we should vote for that F-Zero thingy...

Then we can get the message across that either a) anime is somewhat unpopular (meaning 4Kids will slow down the licensing) or b) there's a lot of PO'd fans out there.

So stop voting for Tokyo Mew Mew and One Piece!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:29 pm Reply with quote
First off, good. I am all for wishing that pokemon never got dubbed, the main stream we have gotten are a bunch of immature fools who don't even understand true anime and refuse to try and learn. They also refuse to try and understand the Japanese culture and go around making fools of themselves and other fans at cons and in public. Also what 4kids ahs done has not helped usher in anime, it has helped make the ignorant masses of our nation further believe that Japanese animation and anything from and of Japan is crap or trash.

So anyone who could even support 4kids and what they are doing is a fool and most likely new to the whole anime fandom. That or they are dumb or totally bought out by 4kids.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 7:22 pm Reply with quote
Akuma-chan wrote:
I've begun to realise 4Kids is in it 4Money,


Fact of the matter is though, almost every company involved in Japanese animation is in it mostly for money. Even the original Japanese producers seek out the dollar sign more than artistic recognition.

Akuma-chan wrote:
we have to come to expect this, since 4Kids is 4KIDS, and they target their shows at a Y7 audience. Most of the times, these shows aren't things that Y7 audiences should see, if they were left in their Japanese format, but, 4Kids makes them FOR KIDS.


Actually, I'd say a good 90% of 4Kids' properties were focused on an identical demographic in Japan. Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh!, Tokyo Mew Mew, etc. were kids' shows there just as they are here. It's just that they have to be edited to conform to Western children's show standards, because what works for one country might not always apply to another.

Akuma-chan wrote:
But, what 4Kids is doing is also allowing anime to gain attention. If they hadn't dubbed Pokemon, anime would be a lot less mainstream, and have half as many fans, from what I believe, atleast. Pokemon started something, even if it was due to 4Kids and their idea of a dub.


This is a very good point. Agreed.

Akuma-chan wrote:
Anyway, as for the trailers...I need to hear more to decide anything. Luffy's voice sounds familiar, but I can't put a finger on it. Zoro sounds like someone from .hack--I want to say Bear or Krim, almost.

As for 'Mew Mew Power', it looks interesting, too. I've never seen/read Tokyo Mew Mew, but I think I might give the dub a chance. Granted, I know the names are butchered--but, it doesn't sound like something that'll make my ears bleed.

Hopefully the VAs will all fall into habit of making their voices sound like they fit the characters.


Thank you. Someone that's actually willing to wait until the shows come out before passing judgment, and actually has an open mind to think that they might actually turn out alright. Very Happy

GallenStorm wrote:
First off, good. I am all for wishing that pokemon never got dubbed, the main stream we have gotten are a bunch of immature fools who don't even understand true anime and refuse to try and learn.


Anybody else see the irony here? Please tell me I'm not the only one...

GallenStorm wrote:
Also what 4kids ahs done has not helped usher in anime, it has helped make the ignorant masses of our nation further believe that Japanese animation and anything from and of Japan is crap or trash.


Do you have any proof? Aside from slightly reinforcing existing notions of animation in this country, I'd say these shows really haven't done any blatant "harm." Similarly, I'd say the rising popularity of Adult Swim & Toonami titles, as well as a few film successes like Spirited Away, has gone a good ways in undoing that "damage."

GallenStorm wrote:
So anyone who could even support 4kids and what they are doing is a fool and most likely new to the whole anime fandom. That or they are dumb or totally bought out by 4kids.


That's an awfully foolish assumption to make, pal.
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