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KarlFranz
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Jump is for everyone. There always a series that filled an audience niche. Should Jump kick out the ecchi manga? Or should it kick out the gag manga? The reason jump success is because it has something for everyone. |
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capt_bunny
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Biologically born woman here, hello. I can say that I half agree and disagree with this petition. Personally; I knew it was fiction with non consent stuff because I looked up online forums which someone told "never do that with IRL but keep it only in fantasy". It was years ago so the internet didn't have many people who don't know the difference between fiction and reality like a lot of teenagers I see today. The parts I do agree is how a lot of media (not just with jump) do have a lot of male characters act with non-consenting actions. That's why they said "We Boys Are Not Wolves" makes me glad that they are knowing this. I hate the saying "Boys will be boys" as I feel its a strong excuse of them to act a certain way. Yup, I hate toxic masculinity as I feel men should be able to express their emotions such as crying and showing sensitivity. I know that a lot of shounen jump is looked at with children. I was surprised when I was reading a CLAMP interview on why they had to tone down the amount of cuss words because they had those under 12 read TRC. However, I do disaree about the parts about the ecchi stuff like the accidently walking to a female character changing because its suppose to never happen. Its those cliches that only happen in anime/manga. That's why there's so many sh*t posts and videos of "stuff that will never happen IRL". A lot of early teenagers know this too. As much as I believe anti-censorship, we do need better age ratings.
This.^ I was thinking all of this too. |
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#913651
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Why not just give people choice. If you don't like sexual violence & non-consensual sex in fictional show, then don't read/watch yourself, and let people who like that watch/read it. Thats better than being selfish and force your opinion on others by banning it to everyone.
Why non-sexual violence in fiction is okay, but sexual violence is not okay. I have not see anyone giving me any good reason for that. All I hear "it just not okay" or "it is disturbing" etc. Those are very subjective reason. No evidence that sexual violence or non-consensual sex in fiction would make make people do that that in real life. Also, what about non-consensual sex woman on man (man not giving consent) or man on man. I have not see any complains about this. Most of the complains are when it is man on woman for some reason. |
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lossthief
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Nobody's saying media can make you believe things that are obviously impossible are suddenly possible. What they're saying is that the framing of an action can influence how people perceive similar actions in the real world. Teens reading Dragonball probably won't go out and flip skirts to emulate Master Roshi, but when somebody else does flip a skirt or grope a girl, it can offer a frame of reference where they see it as just a harmless prank instead of sexual harassment or assault. Or it can influence them to dismiss the girl being upset as her overreacting. THAT is where media routinely and consistently portraying nonconsensual sexual acts as funny or harmless or attractive becomes a problem, especially when standardized sex ed so rarely covers the topic of consent. Also for an example of how this isn't just limited to sex or young people, here's former Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia citing the TV show 24 as evidence of US Torture Policy being morally necessary:
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Haterater
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THIS!! I agree with this so much. Have an older version of the magazine with that content.or ratings and such. Now that I think about it, its such an easy thing, but I can see how "sex sells" and all that from the companies won't make it easy. |
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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I would say at the very least better warnings on manga would be fine. Doing that in no way changes the manga or prevents the material from being consumed by readers. There is no real reason to not support that part as it does not "change" anything really. It just provides better warnings so a reader knows what is in the material. Then at the very least if someone does read it and does not like it they cannot claim they had no idea.
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TsukasaElkKite
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I think this is honestly a fantastic idea.
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Meongantuk
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But they already did? Young Jump and Ultra Jump are still a thing. The fanservice in those magazines range from tame to borderline hentai. The fanservices in shounen jump are in the tamer side. |
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Haterater
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Then I guess they aren't doing a good job? Take that To-Love-Ru example from the article. I guess it should have been in Ultra Jump and not in the Weekly one.
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CatSword
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The version of To Love-Ru that ran in Jump was PG-13 at worst. Nipples were only added for the tankōbon editions, and it was nowhere near as racy as Darkness, which was in a seinen magazine. |
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Lord Geo
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Not actually true. To-Love-Ru Darkness ran in Jump Square, which is simply the monthly sister magazine to Weekly Shonen Jump, and is technically just as "shonen" in terms of demographic; in fact, it's predecessor was literally called Monthly Shonen Jump. It's just that, historically, monthly-serialized shonen manga magazines have always been given more leeway than their weekly counterparts, so they are more likely to include more violence, gore, & sexuality than what you'd see in the weekly magazine. I don't know why that is exactly, but I'd guess that it's a mix of not appearing as often (1x/month, rather than 4x/month) & generally not having the same readership as their sister magazines, so there's less of a chance at backlash happening. |
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Jonny Mendes
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I was giving a exaggerate example. But what I mean in response to the poster is if ecchi manga are bad because can influence behavior, violence in manga have the same problem so should have the same treatment as ecchi in manga and have a Content Warning. But if someone justify behavior using a manga here nonconsensual sexual acts are portrait as funny or harmless, that person really have problems. A normal person like 99,99% of jump readers know what is reality and what is fantasy or played for laughs. A normal person don't go emulating what he or she read in manga or justify his or hers behavior because of what is in the manga. Of course there are very few people that can do that, but those people already have problems, even if they don't read manga. Anyway, I don't believe this petition going anywhere, Sex sells, sexy girls and boys sells, fan-service sells and is what most Jump readers look for and expect is this kind of manga. There are plenty of examples of authors adding more fan-service and ecchi in their series when the ratings are going down to avoid been axed. So this things in manga will continue as long there are audience for them. And by the looks of it, thing will continue like this for many years. And this kind of comedy is also common in real life Just watch this comedy show about the guy looking at his sister boobs and talking about it with his friends and telling how beautiful they are, and even telling a story when his friend, by accident, happen to see his sister sleeping with a boob out of her shirt. Japanese comedian Meshida work in Tokyo and some of his shows are for tourists in English and also have a youtube channel in English and English subs. Link: Hentai Rakugo “My Sister’s Boobs” | Japanese sit down comedy (変態落語) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRavEtAU9kE And about the skirt flipping: There are even skirt flipping calendars selling in amazon Japan Link: https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/switch-language/product/B00O2NCLFS/ref=dp_change_lang?ie=UTF8&language=en_JP So this kind of comedy are not going anywhere. |
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CrowLia
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Maybe read what you're repying to? I literally wrote "it'll probably take a while", never said it's going to disappear tomorrow (unfortunately). This is, by the way, not the first such initiative, as I also refered in my post. A couple of years ago, a similar criticism was launched at Shonen Jump due to a particularly racy color illustration of Yuuna-san that appeared on the magazine. The objections were very similar to what is seen in this petition, namely the trivialization of sexual assault and normalizing it as funny and sexy, especially in a magazine that is read by very young children and teenagers. And it is a trend, because it is very clearly rooted in the MeToo movement which has brought larger criticism to sexual harrassment in Japan. And people are starting to look beyond surface level solutions, see what really needs to change so men don't grow up thinking molesting teenage girls from your bicycle is a funny hobby you can coyly brag about. Shonen Jump and other shonen manga magazines are not the root of the problem, but it has a massive influence on a huge portion of Japan's youth and it needs to take responsibility for that. Change won't happen overnight, but it will happen, sooner or later. |
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TarsTarkas
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I know it is unfashionable in these days, but men don't become rapists and sexual assault children because of what they read, watch, or listen too. They do so because they are evil. Evil because they think they have the right to do so. Our societies operate on the delusional belief that young teenagers don't understand right and wrong. But they do. Books, video, and music don't need additional warnings on them, that is what ratings are for. You can debate the effectiveness of ratings all you want. But that is what they are there for. Adults don't need their books, videos, mangas, and CDs looking like poison pills, the way the EU dresses their cigarettes. I am not saying that young children (young children, not teenagers) won't be effected by adult themes, but they shouldn't be reading reading them anyway. Also, books, manga, and video are not the things you should be worried about anyway. Access to children are controlled to some degree. What you should be more worried about is unfettered internet access. More and more young children are getting smart phones with full internet access. Even tablets with full internet access. Most parents are not monitoring their child's access or history, and not even bothering to use the most basic of filters. Which is useless anyway, as kids and their friends have work arounds. Parents are using tablets as babysitters or something that will keep their kids quiet. They don't care what their kids are doing, as long as they are not being bothered. So many people are worried that books and manga are destroying our children, and no one cares that many children under 13 are data mining the internet for all they are worth. My grandchildren under 10 years of age have smart phones, and access to hand me down tablets. The only control that I see is eyeballs, but what happens when the eyeballs aren't watching, or their friends in school tell them about the best'est site ever. Last edited by TarsTarkas on Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:22 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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AmpersandsUnited
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As a former comic fan, I have to agree. These talking points are the exact same thing that happened with comic books over their lifetime until they became what they are today. A lot of self-sabotage and repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot until the medium is on its deathbed. Although I'm sure that's something certain people would love to happen to manga.
Instagram and Tiktok are full of borderline child pornography and adults grooming underage kids but that seems to be overlooked entirely, either out of technological ignorance or willful spite. Rather than say kids will be desensitized and think flipping skirts is okay because they saw a manga character do it, maybe people should look at apps that promote and reward 12 year old girls who twerk their butts half naked for men on the internet are conditioning kids into doing this kind of stuff. I'm betting Tiktok has more global reach than Weekly Shounen Jump does. |
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