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Animeking1108
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If you ever even consider saying "Brotherhood" was better, 2003 fans that never read manga in their life will always get on you. I'm not just saying that from my controversial post on the "Unpopular Anime Opinions" thread. Anytime I go on a forum and say I liked "Brotherhood" better, 2003 purists always take the opportunity to point out every flaw with "Brotherhood" like as if the 2003 series was perfect in every shape and form.
Tell me this: if "Brotherhood" is so overrated, then why does it have so many haters? If anything, the 2003 series is the overrated. I'm going to bet that after posting this, I'll be given a novel-sized lecture on how "Brotherhood" raped their favorite anime. The reason I said that those people weren't true fans that one time was just out of frustration with the annoying fans. If people still haven't let that go, then I'm sorry. "Brotherhood" moved too fast? The 2003 series moved too slow. It took half the series for the Elric Brothers to find out spoiler[Hughes died]. "Brotherhood" had an ending that was too spoiler[happy]? Yes, because it's completely unfound for a story to actually have a resolved conflict. Everyone complained about the ending to the 2003 series for being too spoiler[depressing]. Make up your mind, fanbase. I don't even say I hate the 2003 series. I just say I hate the changes made and think BH was better. Some things were either forced or unnecessary. Making Sloth spoiler[Tricia Elric] seemed like forced drama. Making Lust spoiler[Scar's lover] undermines his character. Making Envy spoiler[Hoenheim's son] was such a Tite Kubo-level BS twist that they pulled out of their ass. Do I even need to go into how much Wrath made my ears bleed? HOWEVER, the 2003 series did some things better. The Homunculi had a better explanation, Hughes' spoiler[death was more tragic], Kimblee and Envy were more intimidating, Mustang was funnier while still a badass, and making Bradley spoiler[Pride] was more fitting for his character. I honestly can't decide whether or not Father or Dante were better villains. I'm willing to acknowledge that the 2003 series had some good ideas. I don't hate the original. In fact, I'm giving it another watch so I can do a better analysis. I hate this assumption that just because I like the manga/"Brotherhood" better, I automatically hate the original. That's like saying I hate "One Piece" because I like "Naruto." |
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Lil Kis
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Well I like Brotherhood better than the original
I also like One Piece better than Naurto Brotherhood had really great moments in it action wise and drama wise. Brotherhood was much better than the original. Also they have a movie to brotherhood called the star of milos and 4 side stories. |
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Wiizard
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I like the original better, but that's because it had a full portuguese adaptation, and it was probably the best adaptation I've ever seen to this language. Brotherhood is better, but in Brazil's anime scene, 2003 version is a lot more important.
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Megiddo
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2003 had a much better first half.
Brotherhood had a much better second half. |
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Kruszer
 Posts: 8016 Location: Minnesota, USA |
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Both of them are great in their own rights and very entertaining, but Brotherhood was the superior series for being far more epic and solid and ending better.
Last edited by Kruszer on Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:29 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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timmy7596
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I personally liked brotherhood and the original series but I loved the original series a lot more. They had more room to work with there I think
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TitanXL
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The problem with the first series is it had some interesting ideas but kind of lacked with everything else. Yes, Lust is done better, but Greed suffered for it. And there's some fitting poetic justice in how it's Greed that spoiler[is Father's downfall] in the second series.
And I dislike how characters like Mustang and Armstrong don't really do anything after the beginning to middle. Mustang shows up to spoiler[beat Pride] But that's about it, where as in the manga and Brotherhood he's always planning ways to take down the Homunculi and everything and right there on the battlefield with Ed and Al. Plus some things in the first series seem a bit odd. Like spoiler[Robo]Archer and the whole Nazi World thing, which comes pretty much out of nowhere. Not to mention the first series lacks Ling, Lan, and Mei, which I loved. Last edited by TitanXL on Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:31 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Maidenoftheredhand
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I think which version you prefer depends on which characters are your favorites and what themes resonate with you.
I've said many times my favorite version of all is the manga. I started reading that around the same time I watched the first anime series and the manga just worked for me more. I guess that would mean I like Brotherhood more than the first series but actually for me they both have strengths and weaknesses as far as anime goes. And I disliked both versions' movies. |
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Ferian
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My problem with the first series was the miriad of plot holes in both the story and (more importanly for me) the worldbuilding that surfaced after the deviation from canon. The "revelations" about the Homunculi I found pathetic, heck, I laughed out loud at Envy's identity. The lack of sound reasoning for their names does not help any, either. And I won't even go into their motivations...
Hohenheim's character and the main villain were two more thorns I would much rather not tread upon. In both motivations and methods of both Hohenheim and his nemesis Brotherhood stands far above the 2003 series. The 2003 series had some good characterization but as TitanXL said, it came at a price, that price being, among other things, Mustang's subordinates, who are reduced to little more than comic relief. It also had some good drama, especially in the first half, but it also suffered from overdramatization at times, especially closer to the end (yes, Rose, Envy, I'm looking at you people). The music is the one part that I can concede was better in the 2003 version. Oh, and Shamballa is an abonimation that should have never been created. Human transmutation and chimera creation have NOTHING on it. Now with that rant over, I guess I'll add a few words actually on topic. I agree with Maidenoftheredhand on account of the reasons for the separation. As in any story I cherish expansive worldbuilding and the setting's coherence over all else, I will never be able to see the 2003 series as superior. The other factors that I think played a significant role is that the 2003 anime had 6 years to create a following and that the first half of Brotherhood was largely rushed for obvious reasons, thus giving the loyal fans of the old anime enough reason to bash the series from the start and manga readers enough reason to tell them to shut up and wait for new material, thus escalating the conflict. P.S. Between the manga and Brotherhood, I pick the manga if simply because some moron had thought it a wonderful idea to draw a mustache on Mustang in the epilogue. |
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Sohma_Curse
 Posts: 512 Location: New York |
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I'm a little more than halfway though FMA (with brotherhood waiting in the queue on blu ray), and the show has freakin STALLLLLLED out like nobodies business. Loved the first half, but after spoiler[the Izumi/Wrath business], the pace has slowed to a crawl and things are going in circles, it seems. The plot is meandering quite a bit at this point (with only brief, fleeting moments of actual intrigue) and the filler episodes aren't helping to get things back on track.
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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I don't think the 2003 series is perfect; I only rated it as Very Good here at ANN. But I found it to be better than Brotherhood, which early-on rushed over vital material and then dragged in the middle before having a very weak final arc.
That plot-hole ridden mess with the ludicrous ending? Pull the other one mate. |
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Maidenoftheredhand
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I don't remember any plot holes in Brotherhood. Everything was explained in previous episodes/chapters.
You might not like the ending which is fine but it was not a plot hole. |
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Rhyono
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I found Brotherhood to be more complete, but it skipped/rushed/changed many areas I had enjoyed in the original. I would have enjoyed Brotherhood less if I hadn't watched the original first.
I enjoyed both in their own right, so I don't really suffer from the conflict of which is better. |
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Tuor_of_Gondolin
 Posts: 3524 Location: Bellevue, WA |
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Just a nitpick here, but Lust was not spoiler[Scar's lover] in the original series, she was spoiler[his brother's fiance]. As for the topic: I prefer Brotherhood over the original series, mainly because of how certain things were resolved that were left undone in the original. That said, I did enjoy the original as well. |
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jsc315
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I rewatched Brotherhood a few months ago so it's still fresh in my mind, and as of now I'm starting the 2003 series again for the 4th time. So it will be a while till I can come to a complete conclusion.
With all that said, I do prefer Brotherhood but I can't deny that I really did enjoy the 2003 series a ton when I first watched it. My biggest issue with the 1st series is the annoying amount of "short jokes" the series throws in the viewers face, especially in the first few episodes. Yes Brotherhood does do it too but not nearly as much and it isn't shoved down our throat. I'll check back in again once I finish watching the original series again and able to compare it fairly. |
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