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bonbonsrus
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THANK YOU I stuck around and watched it, but I kept thinking, seriously? how many ass/crotch shots of little girls do we need? I found it disturbing |
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Blood-
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Perhaps you didn't mean it to, but that comes across as patronizing/condescending. I.e. "Gee, I hope you pedos who don't mind looking at underage girls' asses enjoy the series, but I'm way too evolved for that." What your comment seems to fail to take into consideration is that someone can be indifferent to, or even opposed to, looking at underage girls' asses and still enjoy the show. |
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Tuor_of_Gondolin
 Posts: 3524 Location: Bellevue, WA |
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Blood-,
If I'd actually meant that, I would've said it. I think I've been posting on here long enough that most people know that I don't tend to beat around the bush about things. While I do consider the girls in this show too young for my tastes, I could probably ignore that if it weren't for the way the camera keeps making sure I am staring exactly where they want me to stare, whether I actually want to or not. *That* is annoying -- very annoying. Others are not annoyed by it, c'est la vie. My original post was meant to say: This stuff isn't my cup of tea, but I understand different people have different tastes. I can't help it if people are so hyper-defensive that *any* comment that isn't fully supportive of the style used in this show is viewed as some sort of veiled attack. To me, that kind of attitude is offensive in and of itself. |
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Yttrbio
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The style you're identifying (pedophilic camera style) is what you're saying is not your cup of tea, but those who enjoy it may like this show. Which means you are saying that only people who like that style will enjoy the show. That causes pushback because people don't like being called pedophiles. Go figure.
For my part, the pedophilic camera is a detriment, but I sort of like the rest. So no, it's not my cup of tea, either, so please don't imply that it is. The suggestion that we are defending the style is what's offensive. |
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Stark700
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I had to facepalm myself during some of the scenes in the second episode especially in regards of the spoiler[comedic attempted kiss] from Akane to Aoi. Otherwise, the episode was entertaining the way Aoi used her powers and fighting along side Aoi.
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Blood-
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@Tuor - I think you are being disingenuous, despite your claims of being a straight up kind of guy. You gave the show all of 15 seconds before you grabbed your petticoats and flounced out and then it was rilly, rilly important for you to come here and let us all know that you were just not down with that kinda stuff, man. But I guess just saying it wasn't your cup of tea wasn't enough of a moral high for you, so you have to sneer about "gee, I hope those of you who don't immediately drop a show after 15 seconds like morally superior peeps like me do enjoy this." Again, ignoring the fact that people DON'T have to enjoy that stuff to like this show.
So yeah, don't be surprised when people like HaruhiToy accuse you the way he did. |
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Tuor_of_Gondolin
Posts: 3524 Location: Bellevue, WA |
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It's not "pedophilic camera style" that is annoying me. It's the whole "jerk the camera focus" in order to force the viewer's focus on things, *like* a girl's crotch. The same sort of thing is done when TV shows want to go for the "authentic footage" (documentary) look (like in the new Battlestar Galactica series). The moment I saw that shot in the first 15 seconds, I knew I would be getting more of the same throughout the show. The fact that the "jerk to" (yes, I'm sure there's a pun in this or something) location happens to be a 12 year old's crotch only compounds my annoyance, because I'm not given the option of whether or not I want to focus my gaze there: the camera style takes that away from me. But even if we were talking a fully grown hottie, I would still be annoyed, and it would still lead to me dropping the show. Finally, I'll repeat myself again once more: just because I happen not to like something, it doesn't mean I necessarily look down on those who do. Different people like different things. That's it. I'm simply stating my preference. If you want to read more than that into it, then that's your business, but if you're going to turn around and try to tell me what I really mean, then I'm going to call BS. Blood-, After I made my post (look at the timestamp), did I make any other post on this thread? No. I didn't. I said what I wanted to say and stopped. I don't need long to surmise certain things about a show. And I remembered (belatedly) being told that the director was the same as for Strike Witches; I dumped Strike Witches 2 for this same sort of camera usage, so when I saw that shot I made certain assumptions and realized that I was wrong to even start on the series. I posted my reaction, *tried* to show that I wasn't being judgemental of those who weren't bothered by it, and moved on. Instead, people decided to twist my comments to imply I was doing the exact opposite, which, yes, I found to be pretty irritating. Instead, now I have the impression that there are people who are so defensive about the show that *any* comment that isn't all gung ho about it is treated as some sort of attack. If you guys expect to only receive favorable opinions on this thread, and think that anyone who feels otherwise about this series should just remain quiet... well, that's not going to happen. This is a discussion thread, not an echo chamber. |
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Blood-
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@ Tuor - by implying that anything less than a favourable review is going to get people's backs up, you are doing what you are accusing others of: twisting words/imposing a meaning that isn't there. I personally didn't give a toss about your original post which is why I made no reply to it. However, when HT posted his post, I could understand where he was coming from, given what you had written.
I believe you didn't mean to suggest that only a person who grooves on underage ass could like this show, but that's kind of how your own words came across. It doesn't require a whole lot of twisting to come to that conclusion. In the future, if you genuinely want to convey the idea that you aren't being judgmental of other people who don't have the same reaction you do, you are probably better off simply presenting your own views and dispensing with bon mots like, "but gosh I sure hope those of you who aren't bothered by this stuff enjoy it!" |
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WhiteHairGirls
 Posts: 4713 Location: New York City |
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Is it just me or did the spoiler[ transfused girl look older than the 2 girl? Or maybe its the lipstick she wore that made her seem older, since the girls usually just have a black line as lips.] There were more crotch shots in this episode, but I don't really care as I like the action in the anime. So is the black hair girl a spoiler[villain or a good person who just has a very good reason as to why she wants the energy source destroyed.]
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Yttrbio
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Well, the spoiler[girl is female, so of course she's not evil, and totally has a good reason for doing what she's doing which we'll be very sympathetic towards, mountains of corpses be damned.]
spoiler[And if you add two 14-year-olds, you get a 28-year-old. Duh.] |
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ChibiKangaroo
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I find it fascinating that whenever someone reviews a show like this (i.e. a show that clearly is pandering to the lolicon fetish), and if that person criticizes the usage of the lolicon fetish in any way, the usual suspects rise up with righteous indignation, with cries of "How dare you call me a pedo!" or "How dare you be judgmental of people who like this!" It doesn't matter what the criticism is, as long as it is some criticism of the lolicon content, they will always rise up and get all red faced and stomp their feet and demand that you apologize for judging their lifestyle. That reeks of insecurity to me. I have watched quite a few of these type of shows myself. It's not my favorite genre and often I think shows like this are more or less just cheap soft-core porn, but sometimes such shows can be cute. Strike Witches was surprisingly pleasant for me. I don't see anything offensive in what Tour_of_Gondolin was saying. He was being honest. He watched the first 15 seconds, saw a crude (and almost lovingly detailed) close up crotch shot of what appeared to be a very young girl, and thought it was over the top in some way which was not appealing to him. If it is even more of a turn off for him that the girl looked so young, then that is a completely valid position to take. Like I said, I enjoyed Strike Witches, but I'm not going to dispute that the girls clearly looked like they were way underage. The girls in this show look similarly underaged. That's part of the loli culture in Japan. Outside of Japan, that kind of thing is seen with much greater suspicion. I think it is stupid to try and beat up Tour_of_Gondolin simply for recognizing that simple truth. If Vividred Operation is using such gratuitous crotch shots that it turns off people who might otherwise give the show a chance, then maybe you should be criticizing the show's producers rather than trying to silence the people who were turned off by it. |
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Blood-
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@ ChibiKangeroo - you are missing the point even though it's been repeated a couple of times. Nobody is commenting on Tuor's personal reaction to the show. What is being commented on is his inference that anyone who does like this show must not be bothered by the underage ass shots. They personally don't bother me in the slightest, but even if I hated them with a burning passion, they constitute such a small part of the show that it wouldn't matter to me. This is not something like Najica Blitz Tactics where, if you are bothered by panty shots you are totally screwed since there are roughly 250 per minute.
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Penguin_Factory
 Posts: 732 Location: Ireland |
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I tried watching the first episode of this. I probably should have known better.
To get it out of the way yes, the ass fixation is annoying. I don't find it particularly gross- in fact by the standards of most fanservice anime it's pretty chaste, with even the transformation sequence avoiding explicit nudity- it's just incredibly distracting. It's the same problem I had with Strike Witches, where even scenes we're clearly supposed to be taking seriously jam the character's ass into our face repeatedly. If they want to have fanservice, fine, but shoving it on-screen constantly gets annoying very quickly. That wasn't my only problem with the show. The plot so far hasn't distinguished itself at all from any of the hundreds of other shows that use the "big enemy incoming, launch the powerful thing at it" monster of the week formula. Akane is almost one-dimensional, with a quickly-resolved fear of heights the only attribute that elevates her above the hordes of other plucky athletic girls in anime. I was particularly bothered by the fact that when her uncle tells her she has to go fight the incoming big enemy she instantly accepts it, without a moment's hesitation or a pause to ask any follow-up questions. The shameless infodump that the episode starts with also doesn't bode well for the quality of the script in future episodes. It's a shame the writing is so weak because the show is gorgeous to look at and the sci-fi magical girl thing is interesting. I'm going to keep an eye on this just in case it turns into something interesting (my initial reaction to Madoka Magica was much the same, after all) but based on what I've seen I'm not holding my breath. |
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KLAC
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ep.2
spoiler[ so now akane & aoi ready to fight the alone give aoi got nothing til reveal akane's key can make another to give aoi her blue marching band battle outfit to help in. with seeing attack the alone with boomerang & hammer with also super strength with aoi grab a plane jet & flying all look well seem stop the alone til "mystery girl" with black bow upgrade the alone robot. the whole docking power is a forehead kiss with try but some hmm due reveal match mood for it cause show flashback how akane & aoi 1st meet to being pals. to reveal while in battle aoi hate tomatoes give akane knew so try again & it work to reveal THEY COMBINE into one female older version of them to defeat the alone. sure one of many more to come & oh yea their school got blasted so meet "suit officer" to tell them to transfer school.] |
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methaniel
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Oh well, at least the second episode introduced its share of non-loli characters to enjoy, so at least you can see that this show isn't obsessed about loli (it's obsessed with crotches).
But since I don't care at all (those shots don't get in my way, I don't really realise its here, and would it be here or not that wouldn't change anything for my part), I quite enjoy it! I wasn't expecting the docking to be like this but it's all the more pleasant spoiler[And now I'm curious to see everyones docking version...particulary a possible 4-girls docking mode] Also, I want Momo (the little sister) to be the Pink Warrior! A Magical Shoujo without the pink one is strange after all... |
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