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anglicanotaku
Posts: 9 Location: Metro Atlanta |
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Let's see: From my personal collection of discs: "Amagami SS", to be followed by "Vampire Knight", "Eureka 7", "Kanon" (2006)and a pile of stuff representing two years worth of anime conventions, and just finished "Wagnaria".
On Netflix the Korean adaptation of "Hana Yori Dango" and revisiting "Fruits Basket" (and its a pity that Netflix or Funi (maybe) cuts off the OP sequence cause that's one of my most favorite parts, and that most of the anime streamed on Netflix is dub-only. From other assorted, occasionall sordid sources: "Kamisami Dolls", "Ano Natsu de Matteru", and revisiting "Kimi ga Nozomo Eien: Next Season" |
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the Rancorous
 Posts: 2248 Location: Hunting the Dragon in Gransys |
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Were my posts on the subject invisible or something? 
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dirkusbirkus
 Posts: 699 Location: Manchester, UK |
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Maybe you get so frustrated about Shiki discussions, dtm42, because this is the attitude you approach them with:
I'm not going to go into it here, it's been discussed at great length elsewhere... But you're so dismissive of any contradictory opinion of the show (key word being opinion) that not only do you put people on the immediate offensive, you also cheapen your own views by being so openly driven by spite. If you were more creative about hiding your disdain then I'd be interested in what you had to say on the topic. As it is, from your behaviour here, and in the relevant threads, I just don't care what you think about Shiki anymore. Your brand of trolling is the worst kind: The troll who believes what he's saying is justified. How is openly insulting people who think differently from you in any way constructive? |
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Otishio
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I tried watching Lucky Star but I couldn't watch it since of the chibi animation style. It just annoyed me. So right now I'm watching Skip Beat since my friend suggested it. Yup yup.
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Botan24
 Posts: 684 Location: Northern Michigan |
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Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.  I will say that artistically, Metropolis is pretty unique. I still don't care for that style, but, at the very least I can appreciate it.
I did enjoy some of the musical arrangements, but those insert songs were awkward. Like I said to Zin5ki, Metropolis is unique in an artistic capacity. Story wise? I don't see it. And for me, if the plot and characters don't strike me, then I find it hard to become involved. Hmm...I've never seen Dr. Strangelove, so I don't get that reference. 
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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When someone posseses an opinion that is so disgusting that it offends me as a human being*, you do really think I'm going to serenade them with chocolates and roses? Translation; am I really going to care about their feelings when they offend me so? How about they be constructive and cut it out with the morally bankrupt BS? Plus it may their opinion that the villagers were as bad as the shiki, but that opinion is wrong*. The series never supports the view that the humans are to blame, in fact it does the opposite. See spoiler[the old liquor store owner's speech to Sunako late in the show.] See how spoiler[the nurse proved that the desire to feed is not absolute, therefore putting the onus on the shiki to take responsibility for controlling their desires.] And tell me; who spoiler[among the villagers kidnapped children and used them as food to give to newly-born shiki, which has to the most heinuous crime in the entire show? Not one of them.] The difference in moral standing between the humans and shiki are like night and day. Is there anything else you'd like to say? * I'm being 100% serious. * Yes, opinions are often wrong (and believing that truth cannot come into the equation is actually a factually incorrect opinion in itself). Look at the Birther movement; their opinions were no less incorrect just because they held them. Last edited by dtm42 on Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:30 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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dirkusbirkus
Posts: 699 Location: Manchester, UK |
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Nope, I think I made it clear I feel your post was disrespectful and unwarranted. I'm not even touching the Shiki discussion with a bargepole. It's a shame, since you're an interesting guy when you're not being a total jerk. |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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You say "jerk", I say "filled with righteous anger that people would defend such morally reprehensible and unambiguously evil beings". If you honestly can't see that, then I'll agree we have nothing more to discuss. |
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dirkusbirkus
Posts: 699 Location: Manchester, UK |
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And if you honestly can't see that calling people retards simply for having a differing opinion is behaviour befitting of a jerk, then I'll agree we have nothing more to discuss. Having a different take on Shiki does not make one devoid of all human worth, you seem to be having trouble grasping that.
We're done here. |
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ikillchicken
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I don't know if it follows that anyone who disagrees with you here is morally bankrupt. I mean, I genuinely don't know. I haven't seen much of Shiki yet. It seems to me though that while their interpretation may be poorly thought out or otherwise erroneous, you can't really say they're morally bankrupt. They may simply not be arriving at the same conclusions as you in terms of the implications of what they're saying. Maybe that makes them wrong and if so I can certainly understand where you might find their foolish opinions irritating. I don't know that you should find it morally offensive though. I'm just throwing that out there.
If you think dtm is being needlessly rude in this specific instance then you might be right. I don't know. What you're saying here however is incorrect at least as a universal rule. It's perfectly reasonable in many cases to despise someone because of their opinions. Generally, this won't be the case when it comes to something as petty as TV shows but it can certainly enter into the equation. If I understand what dtm is saying here, he finds Shiki, or at least this interpretation of Shiki and the implications stemming there from, to be deeply morally offensive. You might not agree with him about that but it's certainly a case where one would be justified in despising people for holding such opinions. |
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Blood-
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I was one of the people who unreservedly rooted for the humans versus the Shiki. In fact, I got impatient with the show because it took so long for the humans to strike back. Nonetheless, dtm42's "retard" remark is blatant trolling. I've reported his post, so we'll see if a mod actually does anything to it. If not, I'll have to assume we are free to call anybody who disagrees with our opinions a retard with impunity.
In any case, in my opinion, Shiki was clear in portraying the Shiki as evil, however, they did layer some complexity in. There were some humans who tried to be good and succeeded. There were some humans who tried to be good and failed. There were some humans who never bothered trying to be good. There were some Shikis who tried to be good and failed. The show was never designed to be black and white and only a complete odious bonehead would fail to recognize that. |
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ikillchicken
Posts: 7272 Location: Vancouver |
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Really man? This doesn't seem just a wee bit hypocritical?
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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Says the guy who wasn't punished at all when he likened me to a mad Chihuahua, and who has said on more than one occasion that he is bloody lucky not to have been banned yet. |
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Surrender Artist
 Posts: 3264 Location: Pennsylvania, USA |
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Could you jackanapes please take this somewhere else? Some of you You seem to actively really not like one another with no likelihood of that ever changing. We've all pretty well seen this show before, so you might as well spare the rest of us the spectacle.
I guess it worked a little for me because I respond to older detective types and I'm a sucker for android partner archetypes, although those characters got pushed aside in favor of the damned kids, so that limits my enjoyment of the film. I did admire Rock some, but just for how the film so effortlessly and effectively made me not like him. I don't know if that was the intent, but it worked out for me.
It's not really a reference so much as a broadly similar style of finale, although Kubrick went out far more nihilistically than Rintaro. You can doubtless find video of the finale on the internet, but it's well worth waiting to see it in the context of the film, which I recommend past the highest heavens. |
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TurnerJ
Posts: 481 Location: Highland Park, NJ |
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I personally love the Nadia dub. Yes, the accents are iffy at times, but what ultimately made up for that flaw were the liveliness and enthusiasm the VAs had for their roles. (I also thought it made sense to do the accents; after all this is a series set in Europe; giving the characters neutral accents would have actually been an even bigger mistake.) The children were perfectly cast, as were the Grandis gang and the Nautilus crew—they all did outstanding jobs and really nailed all the emotions. It's one of my personal favorite dubs. |
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