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Lemonchest
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I really enjoyed the parts of American Pie when Jim made Nadia form a slave (sorry, servant) pact with him & Stifler's mum turned out to have the body of a 12 year old. Good times.
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Morry
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I agree. It's mostly age. I don't much care for ecchi either way, but I think most people who are the most perturbed (a) don't care its fiction and (b) forget it's written and marketed for teens. Hormonal-driven teens think teens in sexy situations rock, not so much 20, 30-somethings (maybe older) more often than not.
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Angel Investor
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My philosophy is that if you like lewd fanservice anime, just own up to it. There's no reason to care what other people say about it, because at the end of the day you're having fun watching what you enjoy while the moral guardians are wasting their time getting mad at fictional drawings. Personally I find silly harem comedies to be a perfect way to unwind after watching much darker shows.
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MarshalBanana
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To be fair not all live action sex teen titles are acceptable, the Canadian, or American?, adaptation of Skins got into trouble.
This all could be stuff that in the future becomes taboo or even illegal to do in Japan. Remember that in America, it was OK at one point to make stuff like On The Good Ship Lollipop and Baby Burlesk. |
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Jonny Mendes
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The person asking probably look at comments about a fan-service anime on the worse possible platform.
Facebook, YouTube are mainstream platforms were people that don't have a clue about anime, go and comment on anime videos and adds, and there fan-service are easy targets for trolls and people that think they know what is best for everyone else, and criticize anything that don't match their values and ideas of what is correct to show. There are based anime sites like kotaku and animefeminist that trash heavy fanservice shows or even shows were only a few scenes have fanservice but nothing is worse than Facebook or YouTube. Like the Justin Sevakis say, anime is the non-mainstream option that people either aren't used to, or aren't AS used to, and it's the product of a different culture in a different country. You can't expect for people from a complete different culture to understand what is acceptable in Japanese culture if they don't even try to know about it and only look at anime with the eyes of a narrow minded western culture were any kind sexualization is viewed as a bad thing and most violence is viewed as acceptable. |
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Lemonchest
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I was born in the wrong civilisation. |
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Angel M Cazares
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That question was dumb, but Justin's answer is very insightful.
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Utsuro no Hako
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I hate to break it to this guy, but a lot of those "classic" movies are rapey as hell and would cause a huge controversy if they were made today.
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leetailor
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The question is already dishonest. In my experience, a lot of people have criticized comedies like Porky's and Fast Times for being built on sexual violence played for laughs (since many of the "pranks" and "jokes" in those movies are basically sexual assault). This so-called double standard doesn't even exist in the first place.
Oh my god I hate this argument so much. Originating in a different culture doesn't make anything automatically beyond criticism. |
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Jonny Mendes
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We are talking about fiction and 2D characters. Anime/manga/LN characters don't have human rights and even don't can be consider underage because they can have any age the author wants in the same body, like a 800 years old loli. Any culture are open to criticism when we talk about abusing humans and animals, and about historic facts, but criticizing fiction from a different culture, even more if is drawings, is not really clever and really narrow minded. We live in a world this kind of culture from different countries are more accessible than ever, and we should not be closed on our own culture and open our minds and try to understand those cultures. And that is something i don't see many mainstream people in the west doing. Last edited by Jonny Mendes on Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:38 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Zalis116
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That reminds me of that one anime where a guy goes to a party, puts on a mask, and has sex with a girl while she thinks he's her boyfriend. Or that other one where a guy tries to stop masturbating for several weeks, and his ex-girlfriend rapes him in his sleep, wins money from a betting pool by doing so, and completely gets away with it. Oh wait, those were from the very American and live-action Revenge of the Nerds and 40 Days and 40 Nights... Although sometimes, the difference between anime and live-action fanservice scenes becomes almost indistinguishable  (Links NSFW, as you might imagine)
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myskaros
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I think it's very naive to completely sever real life from fiction, as real life is still the basis for fiction. The only reason "an 800-year old vampire loli" exists is because the writer/author clearly recognizes that there is a fetish for a certain body type but is also aware of child porn/pedophilia laws. It's not like they pulled the concept from nowhere and just blindly believed it would sell. |
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Scalfin
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I'd also note that anime is consumed in the west by people several years older than whatever the intended demo in Japan is, such that there's a skewed perception of targeting. Also, the visual language as to what's "sexy" and "sexual" are different, and we don't really notice that the stuff that we think is acceptable but Japan doesn't is missing but quickly notice when the stuff Japan's okay with but we're not shows up. |
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DRosencraft
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The problem is, most of the time this whole "legal loli" concept is nothing more than a lampshade thrown in purely for deflecting criticism. Meanwhile, the show itself often appears to be making, or pushing the narrative very strongly, that such views of underage girls is okay outside the context of the animation. It's a dichotomy that arises from some series where there is a push to depict realistic situations and scenarios, while embracing only tangentially unrealistic scenarios. Merely saying "its fiction" is a simply attempt to deflect addressing the central question of the appropriateness of the depiction itself. It may be that some think the depiction itself is alright, but simply saying an intentionally realistic depiction of underage kids is immune from critique because it is animated misses the point. Criticism of live-action movies that depict sexual violence against women isn't a question of whether or not the actors in the movie are actual involved in the violence, but what message, impression, lessons, morals, etc., the movie is presenting by the way it depicts these things. |
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Jonny Mendes
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