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Surrender Artist
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Anthropomorphized concentration camps and moefied serial killers? The world is waiting for meganekko Auschwitz and nekomimi Albert Fish! |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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It was a light-hearted comment, sort of like "oh Japan you . . .". When you say you "like it", does that mean you've actually read the cockroach Manga in question? What was it like? |
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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my mistake well it's hard to say if you can't look past the art. The girl knows she is cockroach but wants to interact with humans which ends up with a slipper or cat chasing her. In all honesty.. it's a kids manga or show cute to look at and fun watch but nothing to deep. |
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Shenl742
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I don't think mascot's are "wrong" per se (Read Breakfast of the Gods )
...I just think that anthropomorphising a consummable product can be inherantly creepy when you think about it... I mean, is drinking soda analogous to drinkng their blood? What happens when the soda runs out? Will the girls have to canabalise other sodas to fill back up, like some kind of carbonated vampire? If you accidently rip the metal tab at the top off, will they become bald when they turn human...or decapitated? |
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egoist
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I wouldn't hesitate to put Akikan! on the bottom of my list if I actually cared about rating the worst things out there.
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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well the tab could be a woman's cl**....now excuse me while I go laugh my ass off...because I can write so many fan fictions now. |
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erinfinnegan
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She came from Hokkaido to make friends! I've given a panel twice now on Moe Anthropomorphism, including once last weekend at Genericon, so I was just totally researching Gokiburi-chan. You can get toys of both the brown and black cockroach girls.
There's a long history of that sort of thing in Japan. You can read about it a bit in Matt Alt's book, Hello, Please! Very Helpful Super Kawaii Characters from Japan. Personally, I think anime fans in Japan are conditioned to accept anthropomorphic characters from pre-school age starting with Anpanman, the anthropomorphic red bean bun who feeds pieces of his head to hungry people. Occasionally they bake him a new head. What, you've never heard of it? There are only 1065 episodes and over a dozen movies... |
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Zalis116
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Also of note in Akikan are Sentai's professional trollsubs. Granted, it's not like they're a detriment for this type of show, but some of the liberties are pretty noticeable. Like having Kakeru sing "Rubber ducky, you're the one" in the bath. Or during one scene while Kakeru's hitting on a vending machine, he says something like "I don't want to hit the wrong button and have Chris Hansen suddenly appear in front of me." (I don't recall the exact line, but "Chris Hansen" was definitely in there.) It's as if Sentai were dismayed at not being able to do a dub, so they spiced up the subtitles as if they were writing dub scripts. |
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hyojodoji
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Actually, Meiji Kaika Ango Torimonochō, which Un-Go is mainly based on, was written by Sakaguchi Ango. Sakaguchi Tsunao, who is a photographer, is the son of Sakaguchi Ango. I read Meiji Kaika Ango Torimonochō in the original. |
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Nayu
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Oops, I guess another case of Erin getting her objective facts wrong. I guess she needs a better editor as well. Or at least an editor who is competent. |
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erinfinnegan
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I was having a super hard time finding information about that, so thanks! If you've read the book and seen Un-Go, what did you think? I'm super curious. |
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samuelp
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Posts: 2233 Location: San Antonio, USA |
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It's far more complex than that. Ango Sakaguchi is one of the most prominent writers and thinkers in post-war Japan. He wrote numerous collections of essays, both fiction and non-fiction, debating philosophy. He also wrote fiction like the detective stories, which are set in the meiji era but allegorical to the issues of post-war Japan. I'm not sure much of his works have english translations at all. Un-go is based off many of the short stories in the detective novels, but also a number of non-fiction essays which were published in small newspapers at the time and later collected. It used to be the case that some of his short essays were required reading in high school, but I'm not sure that's true any longer. |
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hyojodoji
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It's a pleasure.
ノイタミナ(笑) Sorry, I'm too lazy to watch Un-Go. I think I may be able to understand the feelings of habitués in the 'Too lazy to watch anime' thread on 2ch. Also I remember a joke in a manga by Yoshida Sensha in which a person wants a video game that he can 'finish' without actually playing it due to his laziness. Since Aikawa Shō, the scriptwriter for Un-Go, said, '「堕落論」からの引用を入れた', '「余はベンメイす」というエッセイから引用しているんです', '引用は「デカダン文学論」からが中心ですね', '原案の「幻の塔」という話', '「アンゴウ」という短編小説をできるだけそのまま「UN-GO」として映像化する', and so on, people who read works by Ango may enjoy Un-Go more than people who don't, however. Though Sakaguchi Ango was usually considered to be an author of 'serious' literature, detective stories were more than a hobby for him. In The Phantom Castle, Edogawa Ranpo wrote, '坂口安吾は昭和二十二年、全く自発的に探偵小説の試作を思立ち、探偵小説界に挑戦すると号して、文芸雑誌「日本小説」に本格長編探偵小説「不連続殺人事件」を連載した。これについては「宝石」二十三年十一、十二月合併号に詳説しておいたが、本格探偵小説の本質を把握すること、探偵作家も及ばぬものがあり、諸人瞠目の出来栄えであった。' Tsuzuki Michio, a famous mystery writer, wrote, '全小説の四分の一が、推理小説であるわけで、これはもう、余技や遊びとは、いえないだろう。文学畑から、推理小説に手をだすのが、はやった昭和三十年代ではない。敗戦後間もない昭和二十二年から、世を去る三十年まで、書いていたのだ。坂口安吾が仕事の重要な一部として、推理小説を考えていたことは、間違いない。推理小説が好きだったことは、もっと間違いないだろう。' Essays by Sakaguchi Ango, too, are very interesting.
I also read talks by Katsu Kaishū. Kaishō Rinroku in Un-Go is modelled on Katsu Kaishū. People who read talks by him, too, may enjoy Un-Go. To people who are interested in the Meiji period and detective stories, I'd like to also recommend Keishichō Zōshi by Yamada Fūtarō. |
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