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Punch Drunk Marc



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 5:12 pm Reply with quote
Brand synergy at its finest
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DTM108



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:30 pm Reply with quote
This from the episodes 1-3 review article from earlier today, “…interesting social commentary on the relationship between war and capitalism. From its very beginning, Gundam has always been about embracing futurism and forward-thinking in spite of the failings of humanity…”

And then here we are again where bullshit social commentary walks and money talks. Nothing like selling a ton of chips and models while talking about the ills of the free market. It’s worrisome that this show is targeted towards teens with a central theme being the failings of capitalism.

Without capitalism, Gundam would not exist. People want it and companies then supply it. Any commentary regarding war and its relationship to capitalism is just shallow crap. “People make money from war!? End capitalism and war ends, too, then, right???”. Then enjoy getting your ass handed to you by any dictator smart enough to see how stupid you are.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:04 am Reply with quote
DTM108 wrote:
This from the episodes 1-3 review article from earlier today, “…interesting social commentary on the relationship between war and capitalism. From its very beginning, Gundam has always been about embracing futurism and forward-thinking in spite of the failings of humanity…”

And then here we are again where bullshit social commentary walks and money talks. Nothing like selling a ton of chips and models while talking about the ills of the free market. It’s worrisome that this show is targeted towards teens with a central theme being the failings of capitalism.

Without capitalism, Gundam would not exist. People want it and companies then supply it. Any commentary regarding war and its relationship to capitalism is just shallow crap. “People make money from war!? End capitalism and war ends, too, then, right???”. Then enjoy getting your ass handed to you by any dictator smart enough to see how stupid you are.


"We should improve society somewhat"
"And yet you participate in it, curious. I am very intelligent"
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 11:13 am Reply with quote
This is amazing. And it plays so well into making Gundam more relevant/accessible to a new, younger generation.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 11:16 am Reply with quote
DTM108 wrote:
This from the episodes 1-3 review article from earlier today, “…interesting social commentary on the relationship between war and capitalism. From its very beginning, Gundam has always been about embracing futurism and forward-thinking in spite of the failings of humanity…”

And then here we are again where bullshit social commentary walks and money talks. Nothing like selling a ton of chips and models while talking about the ills of the free market. It’s worrisome that this show is targeted towards teens with a central theme being the failings of capitalism.

Without capitalism, Gundam would not exist. People want it and companies then supply it. Any commentary regarding war and its relationship to capitalism is just shallow crap. “People make money from war!? End capitalism and war ends, too, then, right???”. Then enjoy getting your ass handed to you by any dictator smart enough to see how stupid you are.


Ah yes, the deep hypocrisy of criticizing the military industrial complex while...promoting snack chips.
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DTM108



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 11:21 am Reply with quote
Human suffering increases in the absence of capitalism. That meme is stupid as hell, because capitalism is constantly working to correct itself. Is something shitty? Someone will come along and create a product or service that corrects the issue.

The "I am very intelligent" meme is basically just complaining about the system instead of participating in it to improve it with better goods and services that you would learn throughout your life. You can switch to another system or force others to do so, but in the end everyone's lives will suck much more ass.

Anyone have any suggestions on how decreasing violence through the removal of capitalism would actually work? I guarantee this show won't end up giving us any good insights.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 12:16 pm Reply with quote
DTM108 wrote:
Human suffering increases in the absence of capitalism. That meme is stupid as hell, because capitalism is constantly working to correct itself. Is something shitty? Someone will come along and create a product or service that corrects the issue.

The "I am very intelligent" meme is basically just complaining about the system instead of participating in it to improve it with better goods and services that you would learn throughout your life. You can switch to another system or force others to do so, but in the end everyone's lives will suck much more ass.

Anyone have any suggestions on how decreasing violence through the removal of capitalism would actually work? I guarantee this show won't end up giving us any good insights.

Yeah capitalism has totally valued “corrections” that aren’t things like “hey there’s an untapped market when we don’t arm both sides of a war” and “safety measures cost money, so let’s remove as many as possible and who cares who dies.” Great corrections to maximize capital! Capitalism is outright hostile to other systems because the success of those systems threatens capitalism. So anytime someone attempts otherwise capitalism, in one of its corrections, does all it can to stamp it out. Weird how that works! Guess it can’t compete in a free market where value is placed on more than accruing capital. Anyways you’re clearly used to seeing the “I am very intelligent” meme, but sure looks like you’ve never take a minute to wonder why. The rest of us are glad that the creators of the show sure have though.
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DTM108



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 12:53 pm Reply with quote
Whether the free market is involved or not, both sides will always be armed for war. You're ignoring human nature if you think otherwise, unless you believe (you might as well just say it) socialism will bring about a utopia in which cultural differences between peoples will disappear, leading to a better society. Because unless you subjugate everyone into thinking that way, IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

As for removing safety measures to save money and capitalism just letting it slide, you couldn't be more wrong. Take for example the Boeing 737 Max disasters from a few years ago; Boeing lost an estimated $80 billion dollars from that horrible decision (https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/17/business/boeing-737-max-grounding-cost/index.html), not to mention their reputation was destroyed. If you don't think that competitors are chomping at the bit to take advantage of what really amounts to an evil decision on the corporate leadership of Boeing, than you've got blinders on to how the world works. There's a shit ton of anecdotes like this. Just Google search.

Lastly, thank God that capitalism is hostile to other economic systems! Holy shit, would you really want to live in a socialist country like Venezuela, Cuba, or China? To live in a socialist society is a guarantee that you will have a life worse than one you can achieve in a capitalist one. Absolutely and with no exception, this is true throughout all of human history. It's extremely sad that Bandai Namco (hey, a big company!) would shit on the capitalist system that made them, all for the purpose of seeming cool to teenagers who don't know any better and are being taught much worse.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 3:47 pm Reply with quote
I see I've found ANN's "intellectual" thread.
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DTM108



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:03 pm Reply with quote
This isn't even faux intellectualism. I'm just saying things that are common knowledge. This show is a grain of crap in the desert of bullshit that is anti-capitalist sentiment in media. People should comment on this stuff or its going to go unchallenged when it absolutely should be.

Side note: Gundam Thunderbolt is better.
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Rentwo



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:43 pm Reply with quote
DTM108 wrote:
This from the episodes 1-3 review article from earlier today, “…interesting social commentary on the relationship between war and capitalism. From its very beginning, Gundam has always been about embracing futurism and forward-thinking in spite of the failings of humanity…”

And then here we are again where bullshit social commentary walks and money talks. Nothing like selling a ton of chips and models while talking about the ills of the free market. It’s worrisome that this show is targeted towards teens with a central theme being the failings of capitalism.

Without capitalism, Gundam would not exist. People want it and companies then supply it. Any commentary regarding war and its relationship to capitalism is just shallow crap. “People make money from war!? End capitalism and war ends, too, then, right???”. Then enjoy getting your ass handed to you by any dictator smart enough to see how stupid you are.


People are going to interpret media in their own way. I agree the idea that Gundam of all things is against making money is pretty silly. I would guess a lot of those kinds of antithetical media interpretations are done out of coping with the fact something they like something they usually don't. I've seen people try to say shows like kill la Kill and the Monogatari series are satiracle about fanservice and you're not supposed to find the content attractive. Fairly silly, but I can understand why someone who dislikes fanservice would find some way to rationalize liking a show will with it by convincing themselves it's doing it as social commentary rather than titilation.

Although at this point I'm genuinely not sure what 'anti-capitalism' is since it seems to be thrown around a lot these days. But given the heavy merchandising nature of the franchise and all the Premium Bandai exclusives I've bought, I'll say it's probably unlikely Bandai holds any contempt about the idea of making money and reveling in consumerism.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:01 pm Reply with quote
The entirety of the UC consists of class warfare, control, and greed. Thunderbolt didn't lack aspects one would call "anti-capitalist" as well. The fact that people automatically equate capitalism to any aspect of basic economy is the large problem here, imo. Anaheim electronics regularly ignore long-term problems to seek short-term profit. I'm not sure how one can indulge the series without noticing these things.

Furthermore, being critical of capitalism does not equal being entirely against it. Countries regularly benefit from mixed economies. There is no place in this world where capitalism or any other form of economy exists solely on its own because it invites problems. Money outclassing humanity is basically the end result of these dystopias that are described and somewhat overcome in most of these stories.

Also please note that those who create media are not the ones in charge of how that media makes money. Yes it's ironic and sad. Yes you can still treat the media critically and make interpretations without having your perspective tainted.
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