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INTEREST: Sanrio Deals with Fallout Over Hello Kitty's Voice Change, Removal of Videos




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malvarez1



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:47 pm Reply with quote
Removing all the old videos strikes me as being too extreme. Hopefully they’ll be reuploaded later.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:43 pm Reply with quote
Depending on the voice actor, leaving a video with their voice actors up can cost some pretty big money.
I doubt the videos will ever be reuploaded.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 8:00 pm Reply with quote
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In a statement issued to J-Cast News, Sanrio asked people to understand that for some of its characters, including Hello Kitty, the character's voice is intended to be the actual character speaking, and thanked fans for continuing to support the characters.

What does this even have to do with anything? It's her "actual voice", so when they change VAs they have to pretend the old stuff never happened? Such a weird statement
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 11:41 pm Reply with quote
mewpudding101 wrote:
Depending on the voice actor, leaving a video with their voice actors up can cost some pretty big money.
I doubt the videos will ever be reuploaded.


I agree this is very odd, Sanrio makes a lot of money from Hello Kitty. Therefore, they could afford to pay royalties to Megumi Hayashibara even if she's no longer the voice of the character. But for Sanrio to take down old video of Hello Kitty because of that is just extreme and really unreasonable. The fact that they shut down the channel and removed all the video, this is going to be another case of lost media if they aren't made available.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2023 5:06 am Reply with quote
mewpudding101 wrote:
Depending on the voice actor, leaving a video with their voice actors up can cost some pretty big money.
I doubt the videos will ever be reuploaded.


I thought that Japanese voice actors didn't get residuals (ie royalties from ongoing sales or broadcast/streaming of works in which they appear)?

You previously said at animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=5353533#5353533

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As a side note, voice actors almost never receive royalties for songs unless they are releasing from a record company. Character songs and the like (the Pokémon opening was probably considered on the same level) are usually a complete buy-out.
-someone who has personal experience calling in voice actors for character songs/theme songs to games sung as the character, not as the artist “so-and-so” from a record label.


So, what is the extent of voice actors and singers getting residuals from appearances on anime?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2023 5:50 am Reply with quote
omiya wrote:
mewpudding101 wrote:
Depending on the voice actor, leaving a video with their voice actors up can cost some pretty big money.
I doubt the videos will ever be reuploaded.


I thought that Japanese voice actors didn't get residuals (ie royalties from ongoing sales or broadcast/streaming of works in which they appear)?

You previously said at animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=5353533#5353533

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As a side note, voice actors almost never receive royalties for songs unless they are releasing from a record company. Character songs and the like (the Pokémon opening was probably considered on the same level) are usually a complete buy-out.
-someone who has personal experience calling in voice actors for character songs/theme songs to games sung as the character, not as the artist “so-and-so” from a record label.


So, what is the extent of voice actors and singers getting residuals from appearances on anime?


That was about songs, this is about voice acting. Two completely different categories.
(I know it sounds weird, but songs and voice acting have completely different regulations)
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:21 am Reply with quote
mewpudding101 wrote:
omiya wrote:
So, what is the extent of voice actors and singers getting residuals from appearances on anime?


That was about songs, this is about voice acting. Two completely different categories.
(I know it sounds weird, but songs and voice acting have completely different regulations)


Thanks for the clarification.

Do you know of any articles in English or Google-translatable that explain how anime voice actors came to be (relatively) well paid and the general situation regarding residuals/royalties for voice acting and singing in anime?

If there aren't any, it would be good if ANN could finally research and publish an article on the subject.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2023 10:37 am Reply with quote
omiya wrote:

If there aren't any, it would be good if ANN could finally research and publish an article on the subject.


Yeah, as of this article, I can't find any information on how much seiyuu make regarding residuals when it comes to voice acting, and songs. I would like to see ANN do a deep-dive and in-depth information on this.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:26 pm Reply with quote
God that is the most soulless thing I've heard a company say about their VA. Especially after 33 years.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:59 pm Reply with quote
Sanrio going full damnatio memoriae on Mrs. Hayashibara. Not cool, guys.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:06 am Reply with quote
mdo7 wrote:
omiya wrote:

If there aren't any, it would be good if ANN could finally research and publish an article on the subject.


Yeah, as of this article, I can't find any information on how much seiyuu make regarding residuals when it comes to voice acting, and songs. I would like to see ANN do a deep-dive and in-depth information on this.


And you will never know because the voice acting industry does not put those numbers on public display.
Also, it depends on a variety of factors.
Contracts, agency, where the voices are used (region), for how long, what kind of media is it, etc.
Currently dealing with a royalty battle of my own.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:54 pm Reply with quote
I get Sanrio's point of view. When Mel Blanc had to bow out of voicing Barney Rubble on The Flintstones for a season due to a health issue, the difference between his voice and that of his substitute, Daws Butler, was substantial in a Two Darrens (Bewitched's Dick York vs. Dick Sargent) sort of way. So I get Sanrio wanting to pull everything and re-record everything with the new Kitty VA.

On the other hand, there should be room for the fans to get to keep hearing their VA of choice. Have the first and second VA recordings as alternate audio tracks. How hard would that really be?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:58 am Reply with quote
mewpudding101 wrote:
(I know it sounds weird, but songs and voice acting have completely different regulations)


Are such regulations available in a Google translatable or official English translation?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:14 pm Reply with quote
[quote="omiya"]
mewpudding101 wrote:
(I know it sounds weird, but songs and voice acting have completely different regulations)


Are such regulations available in a Google translatable or official English translation?[/quote
Nope!
I say regulations, but it’s all unwritten stuff.
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