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residentgrigo
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The US comic industry has been going through a few market manipulations since the 90s and has survived in its niche, even if the 90s bubble that was formed due to one heavy helped to create a market crash. "Heel" Paul and "Babyface" IShowSpeed are jumping on this train as it is slowly departing the station due to the digital push having fully gone through in Japan. The last time to create a toxic speculation bubble is now. Worldwide successes like DDD or Chainsawman Part 2 are digital-first after all. Good luck convincing people that a magazine with maybe 5 million copies made, printed on newspaper stock, and multiple novelty reprints has the price of a sports car. All life is scams now but neither of the 2 key items is the first appearance of Goku or Luffy in print. If this is supposed to be a pump-and-dump scheme for specific historical anthology issues, then sure, but there is no ongoing future for this manga grading nonsense. The US single-issue market, heavily focused on No. 1s and first appearances of movie-adapted Glup Shittos, seems uniquely dumb like that.
matttttttt´s 14-minute video on this topic is all one needs to know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-D-6pfFvAk Last edited by residentgrigo on Thu May 07, 2026 4:00 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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kgw
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I was wondering just that. There were millions of copies of every magazine. Probably some dusty second-hand bookshop in some part of Japan has that "unique" volumes for 100 yen.
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AiddonValentine
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I was gonna say, there is no shortage of tankobon, literally MILLIONS of these things have been printed. Copies of Shonen Jump with the first chapters of Dragon Ball or Naruto are not difficult to find! The only think I can think of is a special cover version of the first volume of Naruto Viz printed, but even then that's pushing it.
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moroboshi-kun
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I am reminded of when DC did their big "Death of Superman" even in the 90's, and everyone and their monkey came out get copy. I saw one woman on the news even said "someday this [single issue] will put my kids through college". The print run was something like 25 million. The issues were actually worth less than the cover price for a while, don't know what they're worth now.
I do like that, in anime fandom in general, the value is the content, not the object itself. Also, a part of what made western comic collecting such a thing back in the day (the market is a shadow of what it used to be) is that if you wanted to read X-Men #120 or whatever, you had to have the actual comic. It wasn't until later the companies started collecting issues into trades. And of course, actual rarity - not many issues of Action Comics #1 around... I look forward to these idiots wasting their money. And I hope I never see a booth at an anime convention with slabbed up manga. |
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StellaStellaStella
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The reason old media is valuable is because a lot of people did not have the foresight to value preserving it. In an era where it's the norm and people do know to preserve and keep things, it's hard to replicate the scarcity outside intentional limited releases made for the purpose of enacting FOMO.
There's a lot of fanatics for physical media. If the value was in the media itself they'd be fine with digital or streaming alone and simply watching something but you see people who get really upset that there's no physical home media release for shows these days or only shows they dislike get releases while theirs don't. If it was truly about experience the media itself they wouldn't care but there are collectors who do just value the shelf presence and might not even play a game. That is the future of all physical media in my opinion. Collectors pieces only. Anime DVDs and Blu-Rays have long since been a premium priced thing in Japan and have become even scarcer as physical media dies and people just prefer streaming. Someone more into physical media than me might know which out-of-print releases of anime and manga go for a pretty penny on the after-market. I myself have kind of phased out physical media as well since just watching it on my computer is good enough for me. I'd rather my shelves be dedicated to physical merchandise like figures and props. |
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Top Gun
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I can't speak for other physical media fans, but the reason why I collect it so abundantly isn't because I want "collector's pieces," it's because I place zero faith in streaming services to preserve media over the long-term (or even medium-term for that matter). I honestly don't care at all about limited-edition releases with all sorts of physical doodads and whatever. I just want the show on discs in a regular case, so that if I want to rewatch it 5 or 10 or 20 years down the line, I can do so with ease. I have no interest in paying to rent the anime I watch. If we had a Steam-esque store that sold digital copies of series all in one place and accessible from unlimited devices (or even better, a GOG-esque service that provided true DRM-free files), then I wouldn't need to fill my shelves like I do. |
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Kicksville
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The ANN wrapper ad until just recently was for Jujutsu Kaisen volume 30, the last one, having six variant covers. I've rarely heard of US published manga volumes having variants, but looking around, apparently this is a trend in other countries with their versions.
It's a little concerning if those sorts of practices get picked up over here more and more. Maybe this is just a final volume "treat", though... |
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BadNewsBlues
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Or the means to properly do so. Or in more extreme case no desire to. |
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MangaNeko
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I immediately thought the same thing when I first heard this news. I don’t know if these people are missing a few brain cells or if someone manipulated them to make the outrageous decision. I have seen the grading craziness for manga these last few years and as someone pointed out some buyers are willing to pay. I am sure every fan has their holy grail item, but are looking at a much smaller cost. I am more surprised financially blessed fans have not invested in the domestic market, but my brain must be pretty backwards thinking. |
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AdamW
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Sure, but most of them are reprints. The value (if you care) lies in the first print. This is why, for me, the column kinda missed the mark, for much the same reason as similar pearl-clutching in the comics and games communities does. If you just want to read/play the thing, someone will almost always make that possible for a non-collector price, unless it's a wildly niche thing (in which case you can just, you know, do it the...other way). Collectors / grifters (have it whichever way you like) might make a lot of noise on streaming platforms or whatever, but they don't actually "threaten the hobby" or anything like that. They can't, really, because *somebody* owns the IP and can make more of The Thing if enough people want to buy The Thing. In other words, you don't need to "resist" collectors, as the article puts it. You can just ignore them. They will find some way to demarcate some identifiably-rare subset of physical copies of The Thing as valuable and play out their whole game with them, and you can safely ignore this and buy the non-"valuable" copies of The Thing instead. This is how it's always been and how it always will be, for centuries. The same mechanics apply to, e.g., book and stamp collecting. Certain stamps are incredibly "valuable" to a stamp collector, but this never made it more expensive to mail a letter. A first edition of The Hobbit is worth a lot, a first folio Shakespeare is worth a lot more, but if you just want to *read* either of those books you can do it for basically nothing. |
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Low-Angle Nakagawa
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Agreed. Original hard-cover releases for certain books are much more sought after than mass-market paper backs or modern releases in my experience. Personally I love getting the original releases especially in cases where modern releases are plagued with having cover-art from a live-action modern adaption like Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, or Game of Thrones. I'm not too familiar with physical manga releases but I also imagine later reprint editions that might have censored content in them could be seen as less desireable, or older jump magazines just for nostalgia's sake of preserving the advertisements and era they came out. Obviously I think the numbers are inflated here like most online auctions that claim to have sold something for millions of dollars but it was their friend who bought it to generate hype, but there's definitely a market for specific releases of media. Plenty of video gamers will pay a lot more for a non-Greatest Hits version of a game that doesn't have the ugly banner on the front cover. |
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Fluwm
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How's that old saying go? Something like, the only people who get rich during a gold rush are the guys selling shovels.
It's that.
It's just another grift. It's not about raising the hypothetical value of these items, but rather in convincing US that these items MIGHT have value, so that we'll pay to have them graded. That's the heart of this scam: getting normal fans and other grifters to gather up old media that is neither rare nor valuable, so some random company can "grade" them according to an entirely arbitrary metric. So like paying $120 or whatever to mail them an old copy of Shounen Jump and then they can send it back to you in a plastic box, with a "C+" grade or whatever. And because these ratings determine the value, there is enormous incentive for these companies to manipulate what ratings they give out to set the levels of apparent "rarity" at whatever they like (which is, in fact, what these companies exist to do). |
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Zased
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I think all grading in general is a scam; especially when I see people say they have to spend like $50-100 to send their cards or whatever away to a service like PSA to grade them. I can't imagine spending that much to get the approval of some random company. That doesn't mean items themselves can't be rare or worth a lot of money but the idea that a rare item is worth more because some random company that got deemed the arbiters of grading says it's a 9.1 instead of an 8.4 inside a plastic case increases the value was always silly to me.
But I have seen people who genuinely enjoy it. Some streamer I watch opens Pokemon cards sometimes and sends them away to get graded. She doesn't sell them or anything she just likes to have them on her shelf. If she gets joy out of having stuff graded and told its good then I guess it's worth it to her. If people do get genuine joy out of the process then to each their own I suppose. |
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roxybudgy
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10-15 years ago now, I remember seeing a DVD box set for the Australian release of "The Twelve Kingdoms" on eBay. There were no other listings for the complete set (just a few listings for random single DVD volumes). At the time, the set was long out of print, and the top bid was showing as around $80 AUD, and I put in $120 AUD as my top bid. There was only one other bidder. While I did check the auction around an hour before it was due to end, I still had the top bid, but when the auction ended, I did not win.
Within a day of the auction ending, I saw another listing for the DVD box set for the Australian release of "The Twelve Kingdoms" on eBay, but this time the starting bid was set at $200. I have no proof that someone was trying to scalp the same DVD set, but it seemed awfully coincidental. I did not place a bid for the new listing. A few years after that, I ended up buying the US version of the "The Twelve Kingdoms" new from RightStuf. Kinda annoying to deal with region locking on DVD players, but no way I was going to support scummy behaviour from scalpers. I also collect anime figurines. It's fun to speculate how much some of my figurines are worth now (I have the Noragami / Yato figurine which some sellers are listing at $900 USD), but anything I have that's worth decent coin are items that I like and would never part with. |
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Fluwm
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I think the problem comes from the fact that there's a difference between costs that arise from actual rarity and the artificially-constructed rarity imposed by grading. The former is just an artifact of supply and demand -- there are only so many pieces of a piece of media, and if you want to read/watch/play that media, you have to pay the price for it. But once grading becomes common, it drives all those prices up. Partly because the actual act of grading is gonna drive costs up for consumers, but also because it splits the (already small) supply in half between graded and ungraded media -- while also increasing the demand, because suddenly this rare media doesn't exist merely to be consumed: it's become a commodity to invest in. So basically grading is an enormous detriment to regular consumers -- you know, us. It makes everything worse and benefits no one aside from the scammers operating these grading companies. |
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