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Dargonxtc
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:42 am |
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| fighterholic wrote: | | darkhunter wrote: | | The main reasons why manga is more expensive here in the states than in japan is the current market and cost of printing. |
Yes and no. My assumption was that they ship some from overseas to here, but seeing how we're such a big country, the rest of the shipping (I should say most of) costs falls in. |
May I also add perhaps the costs of buying the rights to print are also a factor.
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dovienya
Joined: 10 May 2006
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:02 pm |
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Bout the tank size (sorry if someone already elaborated on this point ><;;; ) the Jump ones are smaller etc. with the slip covers as described. Hana to Yume and other really big publishers usually do theirs like that too.
Some publishers make the tanks larger than american ones, especially the very old manga, and many of these dont have the slip covers. As for the quality of the phone books (large mags like Shounen Jump here in America), the paper quality sucks but the books are tons bigger and it encourages buying the tankoubon format later. (plus, at $3.50 instead of $10, it's not so bad ).
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ShadrachAnki
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:31 pm |
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Point 1: The Japanese market for manga is larger than the American market for manga. Initial print runs are going to be larger, and thus the overall cost per volume is going to be lower. The smaller the print run, the more expensive it gets, and the end cost needs to be higher in order to compensate.
Point 2: Non-Japanese manga releases have to factor in licensing fees and publication contracts. This is another element that will add to the cost per volume, even if the companies average out their expected expenses over a quarter or year.
Point 3: Translation. While this may not necessarily add an incredible amount to the overall total cost of a volume of manga, it does factor in, along with any touch ups/editing to art.
Point 4: The larger the country is area-wise, the more expensive it is going to be to distribute a product nationwide. Not only that, but the factories that produce the volumes have to bring in the raw materials needed, such as paper and printing plates.
The fact of the matter is, the USA does not have an incredibly strong market for sequential art, even the stuff we make ourselves. It is, by and large, looked at as kids' stuff, and while that has been changing we still aren't really to the same level as other countries (at least in my experience). Manga especially is still a niché market, even with some of the more mainstream exposure it has been receiving lately. It's doubtful this will change any time soon.
I'm just going to stick with being happy that most of the series I'm collecting don't cost much more per volume than your average paperback book, even though the word count in a volume of manga is a whole lot lower.
~Shadrach Anki
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fighterholic
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 2:10 am |
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I think being able to read Japanese really helps because then if you want to save a little money, you can buy the cheaper Japanese manga. Plus they're unedited unlike the American manga that might have "left" out some stuff.
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Jkid
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 6:17 am |
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The best way to move the sterotype that manga is for kids ,IMHO, is estabslish independent stores that specialize not only Japanese manga but Manga influenced and independent American comics. (Unless you look really hard, most of the comic book market is filled with superheroes.)
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shinagawa
Joined: 09 Oct 2005
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 5:20 pm |
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Original version like french version of manga
Bad papers
but the price of french manga are higher 5~7€.
Japan market is larger than France market
but french market is larger than American market. ( France is 2nd consomator in the world for manga) .
Best are original version with no translate mistake
Sorry for my bad english
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OnePieceFANatic
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 7:05 am |
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Manga in Japan is insanely popular. People read it everywhere, and when I say people, I mean nearly everyone there. Men and women of all ages, shapes, and sizes. Bussiness men and women read it on their way to work, while on the bus. Same goes for children, and teenagers on their way to school. You can see people reading manga everywhere you go, and it's only rivaled in populariy by handheld systems like Gameboys and stuff. Manga in japan is an everyday thing, and is sold just about everywhere, they even have places in the streets, kinda like manga stalls that sell em. Also the japanese versions of manga are sometimes smaller than the english ones I buy from Viz, and they're more compact.
I read an article about it. And here's just a small piece of that article (it's kinda old, I know):
There are a great number of magazines in Japan devoted exclusively to manga but it is difficult to give an exact accounting of their number given that it is not at all uncommon for smaller publishing houses to bring out one new magazine after another under different titles. The core of the manga publishing industry consists of some 13 weekly manga magazines published by the major publishers alone, along with 10 biweeklies, and approximately twenty influential monthlies. At any given time there are at least ten magazines which boast over one million copies of each issue. At most there is one non-manga magazine in Japan which can claim a readership of over one million.
Yearly sales of manga throughout the 1990's have been in the neighborhood of 600 billion yen, including 350 billion in magazine sales and 250 billion in paperbacks. These figures do no not include sales of manga appearng in general magazines and newspapers. The total sales of published material in Japan (including magazines and books but excluding newspapers) is two trillion five-hundred billion yen, of which manga sales account for nearly one quarter. Given a total Japanese population of 120 million, we can calculate that the average Japanese spends approximately 2,000 yen per year on manga in one form or another.
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Wakaiba
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 8:38 am |
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It's insane! ((I went to Tokyo last summer)). It's available in almost every train station, and the major retailers - like Mandarake - are just insane. A volume of manga is approx. 3 bucks stateside, and art books go for 20-60 bucks ((in conversion again)). Subway advertisments use manga-styled graphics to drive their points home; heck, even the "how to use a Japanese toilet" guide my mom got had manga-ish graphics. I wouldn't say it's everywhere, but it's a lot more rampant than it is here. Especially the big titles there, like Naruto and NANA - I saw movie posters for both in the Ginza, and Naruto had some deal running with a small grocery-store like retailer for free Naruto merch ((I can't read Katakana, so I never figured out the details- I think it had to do with Ramen, though...)). An even smaller example of it's popularity, the Studio Ghibli museum takes a reservation up to 5 months advance, which I didn't know when I went. My dad's buisness partners in Japan tried their darndest to get me in, but to no avail; and I was there on a major holliday weekend when the city was ((well, almost)) quiet! It's very popular there; next time I go, I will have had Japanese lessons, and maybe I'll know more.
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Dargonxtc
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 11:22 am |
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| Wakaiba wrote: | | Subway advertisments use manga-styled graphics to drive their points home; heck, even the "how to use a Japanese toilet" guide my mom got had manga-ish graphics. | Thats not surprising considering that manga style is basically Japanese style. You would think an instructional pamphlet of how to squat at a toilet, would be in Japanese style not say european.
| Wakaiba wrote: | | An even smaller example of it's popularity, the Studio Ghibli museum takes a reservation up to 5 months advance, which I didn't know when I went. My dad's buisness partners in Japan tried their darndest to get me in, but to no avail; |
Thats a real shame. That words museum and reservation shouldn't go together. If you use the word museum it should be open to the public for a small fee. If I ever go to Japan I want to go to this "museum", but that word really no longer applies. So I guess I want to go to the Studio Ghibli Club when I go to Japan.
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Wakaiba
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 3:51 pm |
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| Dargonxtc wrote: | | Thats not surprising considering that manga style is basically Japanese style. You would think an instructional pamphlet of how to squat at a toilet, would be in Japanese style not say european. |
I was suprised to see a pamphlet in the first place - wouldn't it be more fun to have us figure it out ourselves? I see your point, I thought the diagrams would be very simplistic as to keep the pamphlet as modest as it could be for the topic it was covering.
| Dargonxtc wrote: | | If I ever go to Japan I want to go to this "museum", but that word really no longer applies. So I guess I want to go to the Studio Ghibli Club when I go to Japan. |
It actually seemed like more of a park than anything else when I went to its website - sorry if I'm repeating information you already know, but there's a cat bus for the kids to play on, big statues of characters from the show, and it's laid out like a town from one of his own creations ((or so I've heard)) - it's complete with it's own themed resturant and a theater for shorts. To me it sounds like more of a theme park than anything else; I can see why kids and adults would line up to get in.
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Dargonxtc
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 4:45 pm |
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Yeah I went to the website, they only allow 200 tickets a day. No wonder there is a 5 month wait.
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