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sakuharu23
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Okay, so, I've been wondering about AS. When I first started watching AS back in 2000, I would ocasionally watch the American shows they played. I became disgusted. It seems all adult cartoon rely of grotatious sex jokes and potty humor. For some shows, it works, like South Park and Family Guy, but most shows are just sad. Seriously, its like every year AS gets some new terrible cartoon, like 12 Ounce Mous or the Going to the Mayor One, and gives it a better time block then the anime.
Seriously, do the cartoons get better ratings then the animes in the line-up. The only American shows a like on AS are Family Guy, American Dad, Futurama, and Robot Chicken.
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God Gundam
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Adult Swim started in 2001.
And I agree with you on everything you said, except I don't watch South Park. AS's original shows, like 12 Oz. Mouse and Tom Goes to the Mayor, should never have been made.
I would have to say that the comedy shows get better ratings than the anime. Face it, not every AS viewer likes anime, and comedy is more appealing to most people than Japanese shows that require a bit more intelligence to understand. The average AS viewer isn't going to have the patience to watch something like Fullmetal Alchemist, but they can easily sit through Family Guy, not to mention the fact that the comedy shows are funny. Too bad the guys at AS prefer making crap instead of comedy.
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LydiaDianne
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| sakuharu23 wrote: | | Okay, so, I've been wondering about AS. When I first started watching AS back in 2000, I would occasionally watch the American shows they played. I became disgusted. It seems all adult cartoon rely of gratuitous sex jokes and potty humor. For some shows, it works, like South Park and Family Guy, but most shows are just sad. Seriously, its like every year AS gets some new terrible cartoon, like 12 Ounce Mouse or the Going to the Mayor One, and gives it a better time block then the anime.
Seriously, do the cartoons get better ratings then the anime in the line-up. The only American shows a like on AS are Family Guy, American Dad, Futurama, and Robot Chicken. |
The American Cartoons cater to the lowest common denominator: I.E. the people who are able to understand ONLY gratuitous sex jokes and potty humor.
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Dargonxtc
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| sakuharu23 wrote: | | Seriously, do the cartoons get better ratings then the animes in the line-up. The only American shows a like on AS are Family Guy, American Dad, Futurama, and Robot Chicken. |
A lot of people just want to vegetate when they get home and fall asleep. And they do this through various means. The block of people they are going for are not the smartest, nor the dumbest, there really both at the same time. So I think certain shows do do well as certain times in the year.
And as far as ratings, FG, AD, and Futurama, almost always do better than anime. The other shows, do well sometimes, but in my opinion only because of the block they put it in. But that is a whole different subject.
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The Frankman
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| God Gundam wrote: | | Adult Swim started in 2001.
And I agree with you on everything you said, except I don't watch South Park. AS's original shows, like 12 Oz. Mouse and Tom Goes to the Mayor, should never have been made.
I would have to say that the comedy shows get better ratings than the anime. Face it, not every AS viewer likes anime, and comedy is more appealing to most people than Japanese shows that require a bit more intelligence to understand. The average AS viewer isn't going to have the patience to watch something like Fullmetal Alchemist, but they can easily sit through Family Guy, not to mention the fact that the comedy shows are funny. Too bad the guys at AS prefer making crap instead of comedy. |
I love how the quality comedies, SpaceGhost: Coast 2 Coast, ATHF, Sealab 2021, The Venture Brothers, The Boondocks, and lately stuff like Gorgoth of Barbarian (forgot name) and Metallocalypse get conveniently ignored. Are the non-Japanese anime shows suddenly poor? No. Many people don't watch many Japanese cartoons that've aired on [as] because they're dramas, not simply because it's "anime" (though the bias does come into equation).
BTW, you can thank shows like Futurama and Family Guy for giving shows like InuYasha, FMA, GITS: SAC and other Japanese animation those great lead-ins all those years. The only time Saturdays rating tanked is when Kim Manning went "all-anime" with the lineup a year ago, and no show topped 300,000 viewers. Of course that didn't last. When four-year old Futurama repeats start getting better numbers than new FMA and GITS: SAC COMBINED, why fix what ain't broken.
I see what you're saying though. 12 Oz. and TGTTM are not glowing success of the good boys at Williams Street and it's unfair that they get a length of rope that long to hang themself with; and they will hang themselves since [as] isn't stupid. However, it's likewise unfair to overlook the good [adult swim] original shows and focus only on the Token Two.
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Nobuyuki
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| LydiaDianne wrote: | | The American Cartoons cater to the lowest common denominator: I.E. the people who are able to understand ONLY gratuitous sex jokes and potty humor. |
Except for the good shows like Futurama and Venture Brothers. 
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Dargonxtc
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| The Frankman wrote: | | I love how the quality comedies, SpaceGhost: Coast 2 Coast, ATHF, Sealab 2021, The Venture Brothers, The Boondocks, and lately stuff like Gorgoth of Barbarian (forgot name) and Metallocalypse |
I'm guilty, I like those shows listed as well, and have for some time. So I agree with your point, very much.
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Abarenbo Shogun
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| The Frankman wrote: | | However, it's likewise unfair to overlook the good [adult swim] original shows and focus only on the Token Two. |
When you constantly advertise the two crappiest shows on your lineup more than repeat airings of Cowboy Bebop (Squidbillies and Tome Goes to the Mayor; doubtful 12 Oz. Mouse gets even a commercial a month), I think it's more than fair to look at the entire block with a magnifying glass.
Aside from that point, I can't understand why they keep airing a POS cartoon when even their own creators admit to not even bothering to watch it when it airs.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13067347/
I mean, you can compare it to The Boondocks or Crayon Shinchan. Those two have better qualitiy productions than Tom. Tom is too chidish and too cheap looking. Crayon Shinchan looks dated, but heck, at least FUNimation made an effort to make it look not too dated. The Boondocks maynot adhere to the Comic Strip, but at least the production values are better.
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goins007
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[quote="Nobuyuki"] | LydiaDianne wrote: | | The American Cartoons cater to the lowest common denominator: I.E. the people who are able to understand ONLY gratuitous sex jokes and potty humor. |
If thats all you saw in Futurama then you really need to either pay more attention or stop harping on dumb people, because your tossing yourself in that group. The genius behind that show was all the background jokes that were going on. And stop thinking so high of yourself that you dont find sex and potty humor funny. It can be funny and IS funny on that show. I mean come on, Sexlexia! That was one of the funniest lines I've heard to date!
And for everyone else, yeah I don't know how 12oz mouse and TGTTM keep getting new episodes...that stuff just isn't funny. I am looking foward to the new season of ATHF however. And the sadest thing to ever happen on Adult Swim (and sealab) was the loss of Harry Goz, the voice of the beloved Cpt. Murphy. The show just wasn't the same after he passed on.
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Dargonxtc
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| goins007 wrote: | | If thats all you saw in Futurama then you really need to either pay more attention or stop harping on dumb people, because your tossing yourself in that group. |
That is not what Lydia meant.
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LydiaDianne
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[quote="goins007"] | Nobuyuki wrote: | | LydiaDianne wrote: | | The American Cartoons cater to the lowest common denominator: I.E. the people who are able to understand ONLY gratuitous sex jokes and potty humor. |
If thats all you saw in Futurama then you really need to either pay more attention or stop harping on dumb people, because your tossing yourself in that group. The genius behind that show was all the background jokes that were going on. And stop thinking so high of yourself that you don't find sex and potty humor funny. It can be funny and IS funny on that show. I mean come on, Sexlexia! That was one of the funniest lines I've heard to date!
And for everyone else, yeah I don't know how 12oz mouse and TGTTM keep getting new episodes...that stuff just isn't funny. I am looking foward to the new season of ATHF however. And the sadest thing to ever happen on Adult Swim (and sealab) was the loss of Harry Goz, the voice of the beloved Cpt. Murphy. The show just wasn't the same after he passed on. |
Potty humor and sex jokes can be funny but if that is all that there is to a story or a series, it gets old very very fast. I like to laugh as much as the next person but when I watch a show, I'd like to see something that not only makes me laugh but will also make me think about it and perhaps mention it to friends. "Hey, did you watch such and such last night? Did you see where John ate a plateful of beans then he farted HUGE farts for the rest of the program! Hahahaha!" That is not what I want to talk about. I do not see that on most American Cartoons.
If you find them funny, fine. I'm glad for you but like I said, the scripts are written for the lowest common denominator and the "high-brow", subtle stuff is an afterthought, in my opinion.
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The Frankman
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:43 pm |
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| LydiaDianne wrote: | | goins007 wrote: | | LydiaDianne wrote: | | The American Cartoons cater to the lowest common denominator: I.E. the people who are able to understand ONLY gratuitous sex jokes and potty humor. |
If thats all you saw in Futurama then you really need to either pay more attention or stop harping on dumb people, because your tossing yourself in that group. The genius behind that show was all the background jokes that were going on. And stop thinking so high of yourself that you don't find sex and potty humor funny. It can be funny and IS funny on that show. I mean come on, Sexlexia! That was one of the funniest lines I've heard to date!
And for everyone else, yeah I don't know how 12oz mouse and TGTTM keep getting new episodes...that stuff just isn't funny. I am looking foward to the new season of ATHF however. And the sadest thing to ever happen on Adult Swim (and sealab) was the loss of Harry Goz, the voice of the beloved Cpt. Murphy. The show just wasn't the same after he passed on. |
Potty humor and sex jokes can be funny but if that is all that there is to a story or a series, it gets old very very fast. I like to laugh as much as the next person but when I watch a show, I'd like to see something that not only makes me laugh but will also make me think about it and perhaps mention it to friends. "Hey, did you watch such and such last night? Did you see where John ate a plateful of beans then he farted HUGE farts for the rest of the program! Hahahaha!" That is not what I want to talk about. I do not see that on most American Cartoons.
If you find them funny, fine. I'm glad for you but like I said, the scripts are written for the lowest common denominator and the "high-brow", subtle stuff is an afterthought, in my opinion. |
I'm confused, do you want animation you can talk about around the water cooler, because in that (assumed) Family Guy description it sounds like you're saying it doesn't happen. First off, IMHO NO ONE talks animation at the work watercooler. Second, shows like Family Guy largely get misunderstood in that aspect but they're not all about the crude stuff, take their stance on censorship or all their great spoofs/sight gags (like Willy Wonka) ... they use more of the the subtle stuff than most fans realize. I will say though that the newer eps. have lacked the old subtlety than in the pre-2006 days.
Also, since its inception the Groening-McFarlane combo has helped [as] dominate the 18-49 demo, specifically the Men's side. I've heard yours and sakuharu23's complant ad naseum on their forum though. But it's not like [as] isn't accomodating you guys, look at the action/dramas on the lineup now!
Theorectical here: What "anime" (I assume you people want some Japanese animation) do you want to replace TGTTM/12 Oz.? You know their timeslot is horrible and will just lead to more "OMG THEY STUCK (insert series here) into a HORRIBLE TIMESLOT!! [as] HATORZZZ ANIME!!" threads. I mean the JA heads can't be complaining here!! 
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hagakure|returns
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[quote="LydiaDianne"] | goins007 wrote: | | Nobuyuki wrote: | | LydiaDianne wrote: | | The American Cartoons cater to the lowest common denominator: I.E. the people who are able to understand ONLY gratuitous sex jokes and potty humor. |
If thats all you saw in Futurama then you really need to either pay more attention or stop harping on dumb people, because your tossing yourself in that group. The genius behind that show was all the background jokes that were going on. And stop thinking so high of yourself that you don't find sex and potty humor funny. It can be funny and IS funny on that show. I mean come on, Sexlexia! That was one of the funniest lines I've heard to date!
And for everyone else, yeah I don't know how 12oz mouse and TGTTM keep getting new episodes...that stuff just isn't funny. I am looking foward to the new season of ATHF however. And the sadest thing to ever happen on Adult Swim (and sealab) was the loss of Harry Goz, the voice of the beloved Cpt. Murphy. The show just wasn't the same after he passed on. |
Potty humor and sex jokes can be funny but if that is all that there is to a story or a series, it gets old very very fast. I like to laugh as much as the next person but when I watch a show, I'd like to see something that not only makes me laugh but will also make me think about it and perhaps mention it to friends. "Hey, did you watch such and such last night? Did you see where John ate a plateful of beans then he farted HUGE farts for the rest of the program! Hahahaha!" That is not what I want to talk about. I do not see that on most American Cartoons.
If you find them funny, fine. I'm glad for you but like I said, the scripts are written for the lowest common denominator and the "high-brow", subtle stuff is an afterthought, in my opinion. |
Futurama is a good social commentary on our society. For example, last saturday' episode center on global warming. While it pokes fun at Global Warming with crude jokes, it did bring up a serious issue to think about. At the end of the day, it's all entertainment and if you learn something, that's great. If you want to talk about lowest common denominator, then you should definitely look up kids show like Kim Possible. "OMG, shopping and boy trouble, oh my!" or even the billion of reality show on TV (Flavor Flav)
It's funny that most people that harp on FG and Futurama, usually just don't get it or just find it offensive. And it's definitely absurb to generalize all american cartoon that way, the original batman was one of my favorite cartoon.
Let's look at anime, we have tons of harem series in which a geek shy boy will trip and fall over a hot girl with huge boobs, and countless anime fan find that funny. Even when the same jokes is repeated over and over again (from Love Hina to Negima), people eat this stuff up. Then there are a lot of anime that are cute just for the sake of being cute. it doesn't make you thinkg, it's just cute to give you that warm fuzzy filiming. And how offend is Fanserice incoroporated into an anime to keep viewers hook (fanservice is just as bad as crude humor). So it's not like all anime are so mature that it makes you think either.
In the end it's not good to generalize with such a statement. It would be better to be more specific on what you're trying to say.
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LydiaDianne
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| The Frankman wrote: | | LydiaDianne wrote: | | goins007 wrote: | | LydiaDianne wrote: | | The American Cartoons cater to the lowest common denominator: I.E. the people who are able to understand ONLY gratuitous sex jokes and potty humor. |
If thats all you saw in Futurama then you really need to either pay more attention or stop harping on dumb people, because your tossing yourself in that group. The genius behind that show was all the background jokes that were going on. And stop thinking so high of yourself that you don't find sex and potty humor funny. It can be funny and IS funny on that show. I mean come on, Sexlexia! That was one of the funniest lines I've heard to date!
And for everyone else, yeah I don't know how 12oz mouse and TGTTM keep getting new episodes...that stuff just isn't funny. I am looking foward to the new season of ATHF however. And the sadest thing to ever happen on Adult Swim (and sealab) was the loss of Harry Goz, the voice of the beloved Cpt. Murphy. The show just wasn't the same after he passed on. |
Potty humor and sex jokes can be funny but if that is all that there is to a story or a series, it gets old very very fast. I like to laugh as much as the next person but when I watch a show, I'd like to see something that not only makes me laugh but will also make me think about it and perhaps mention it to friends. "Hey, did you watch such and such last night? Did you see where John ate a plateful of beans then he farted HUGE farts for the rest of the program! Hahahaha!" That is not what I want to talk about. I do not see that on most American Cartoons.
If you find them funny, fine. I'm glad for you but like I said, the scripts are written for the lowest common denominator and the "high-brow", subtle stuff is an afterthought, in my opinion. |
I'm confused, do you want animation you can talk about around the water cooler, because in that (assumed) Family Guy description it sounds like you're saying it doesn't happen. First off, IMHO NO ONE talks animation at the work watercooler. Second, shows like Family Guy largely get misunderstood in that aspect but they're not all about the crude stuff, take their stance on censorship or all their great spoofs/sight gags (like Willy Wonka) ... they use more of the the subtle stuff than most fans realize. I will say though that the newer eps. have lacked the old subtlety than in the pre-2006 days.
Also, since its inception the Groening-McFarlane combo has helped [as] dominate the 18-49 demo, specifically the Men's side. I've heard yours and sakuharu23's complant ad naseum on their forum though. But it's not like [as] isn't accomodating you guys, look at the action/dramas on the lineup now!
Theorectical here: What "anime" (I assume you people want some Japanese animation) do you want to replace TGTTM/ 12 Oz.? You know their timeslot is horrible and will just lead to more "OMG THEY STUCK ( insert series here) into a HORRIBLE TIMESLOT!! [as] HATORZZZ ANIME!!" threads. I mean the JA heads can't be complaining here!! |
Oh HELL. I really can't explain why I don't like American Cartoons. I just don't. At least not the modern ones. I love Bugs, Daffy, Tom & Jerry, the Flintstones and the Jetsons. But I just can't stand South Park, Futurerama, The Simpsons, etc. I can't explain it I just don't. I've tried to watch them but they get on my nerves.
I also can't stand Friends, Will & Grace and Everybody does not love Raymond. M*A*S*H, Cosby Show anytime is the right time, they're great.
Like I said, I can't really explain why I don't like them...**aaauughhhh! pulls at hair!**
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The Frankman
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| LydiaDianne wrote: | | Oh HELL. I really can't explain why I don't like American Cartoons. I just don't. At least not the modern ones. I love Bugs, Daffy, Tom & Jerry, the Flintstones and the Jetsons. But I just can't stand South Park, Futurerama, The Simpsons, etc. I can't explain it I just don't. I've tried to watch them but they get on my nerves.
I also can't stand Friends, Will & Grace and Everybody does not love Raymond. M*A*S*H, Cosby Show anytime is the right time, they're great.
Like I said, I can't really explain why I don't like them...**aaauughhhh! pulls at hair!** |
Therein lies the problem. By saying that you kinda put yourself in with the idiota en cabezas who say "ANIME SUX IT'S ALL BIG EYED CRAP 'n TENTACLES!!" and whose only experience with it is a poorly dubbed Overfiend tape. I mean I post here and on other sites about the younger generation who loves Japanese animation and hates other stuff and it's nuts. I ask them what American stuff have you seen to make you feel it sucks and it always the same thing: Disney post 1996, South Park, Family Guy and the like. What about the stuff that garnered acclaim? I wrote a piece on it awhile back where I went back-and-forth with a Japanese anime fan (it sort of was a dub-sub piece), I'll quote it. I'm TF:
| AIM-ing for a Resolution wrote: | | TF: A poster stated every American cartoon she’s seen that and liked doesn’t compare to the anime she’s liked, that they aren’t the same thing. She also went on and said to name some good american cartoons and if she hadn’t seen them them she’ll go watch them and respond accordingly to see if they were good.
TF: My reponse to that? I quote:
TF: “Oh dear Lord she got me started:
First, I'll start small because if I gave you my Top 50 we'll never see you again. So start off with these twenty:
Dexter's Laboratory, The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest, Samurai Jack, King of the Hill, Batman: TAS, The PowerPuff Girls, Family Guy, Doug, X-Men (early 90s), Batman-Superman Adventures (late 90s), Spider-Man (mid-late 90s), X-Men: Evolution, South Park, The Simpsons, Johnny Bravo, Spider-Man: Unlimited, The Boondocks, Batman Beyond, Hey Arnold!, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Rocko's Modern Life...
I dare you to compare crap like Super Milk-Chan, Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo (or Bobo Idiot as I call him) , Zatch Bell (Hell, I like Zatch Bell too!) to the music, animation, and story/impact of these series alone. And when you've watched them I'M NOT DONE. I got much more."
TF: Notice the mix of young/old shows, dramas, comedies, and whatnot.
Ms2002: You’re going to find elitist bastards everywhere, and most don’t really know what’s good about anime so you have to shrug them off.
Ms2002: But that’s a badass list.
TF: I was a animation whore when I was younger. I'm not the typical Japanese anime fan. I watch whatever I research and whatever appeals to me, Viva la animation...
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TF: Also remember the post I made? After I listed the shows you know what her reply was?
Ms2002: im afraid to ask… probably a very large "SO!"
TF: Brace for impact. I quote here: “those shows youve mentioned, the anime i dont like, im not going to compare them in a post either. i hav seen most of the shows there and really only Samurai Jack stands out, and isn't Boondocks anime style? i dont really like the american super hero idea, yes i know japanese have heros with incredable ability but there stories and ideas as to why i like much better. and teh emotion they show in there shows i really haven't seen many(meaning there are some times) american shows compare to.
TF: … The Frankman am cry.
Ms2002: Ignoring the other persons’ point is a very valid debating tactic . . . or they could just be stupid and decided not to respond directly to your statements. |
My point is that animation is not completely Apple Jacks here: you don't just like/dislike it. There's always a reason, a bias, something. Also I'm noticing you're listing modern Americans sitcoms now, what's going on here? Maybe someone's tapping into the Hatorade  ? I mean if you dislike most "new" American shows in general fine, that's cool. But at least you have a set reason why. I'm very interested in the responses here.
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