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Hey, Answerman! - ANTI-PIRACY HYSTERIA

There's nothing wrong with homages or references, is there? If they were trying to hide where their inspiration comes from, but else. And I dunno about "generic fake art style". Doesn't look more generic to me than many of the cardboard cutout characters in animes each season.

All this argument tells me you either didn't see the show at all or barely paid any attention to it. You mention DBZ references and whatnot but their just that: references. The creators of Avatar have admitted to being anime fans to some to extent and plenty of anime make references other works the authors liked but somehow when western animation does it it's a crime? And yes the basic set up is the whole elements+martial arts thing which has been done before, but it's actually done well, and you obviously don't understand the show if you think action sequences are why people watch it. Hell the action sequences are the most frequently mocked part of the series all across the board in spite of the creators supposedly researching actual martial arts. I'll give you the asian culture blender thing but even that isn't a very good argument. The world of Avatar is pretty well fleshed out and despite "blending" this stuff together they did a pretty good job of making the different nations distinct.

You also didn't pay attention to what I was actually saying about Adventure Time. Note that I said in SPITE of having crude humor meant for kids the show has some very mature themes, some dark undertones when you really explore what the setting of the show actually is, and has some pretty dramatic moments which is why the show has a pretty respectable adult fanbase despite technically being meant for kids.

Try reading my post next time.

I will again note that as a whole I do believe that anime is better than western animation and I don't want to confuse anyone into thinking otherwise, but this whole notion that all western animation is inferior to anime on principle is just well...ridiculous and when I see people arguing that it looks more like a kid saying "look at me I watch the cool shows and not that baby stuff so I'm a big kid now" and it becomes apparent that person has no actual love for the medium of animation.

lol wow. You really don't know jack about Avatar. Its Asian asthetic was not to rip off anime, it was because the creators wanted to make a work homaging Asia in general--hence things like actually using REAL martial arts styles, something most manga/anime can't be arsed to do eventhough THEY'RE THE CREATORS OF SAID MARTIAL ARTS (well, them and the chinese). Avatar manages to evoke an Asian feel better than most anime.

Also, personally, from what I've seen, Avatar is a lot more fluid than most anime. It doesn't even really look THAT anime-like besides a few visual trappings. But I guess in Crispy45's world inspiration and cutural syncretism is evil.

The four martial arts in Avatar are Chinese. Please don't lump Japan and China together just because "they're both Asian", that's exactly what his complaint was.

But a lot of Avatar haters deny that it is the exception. And the very fact that it exists is proof of changing viewpoints on animation in the west. There always has to be the Ur-work that at least TRIES to change the status quo.

Again the bias is obvious in your posts, so I don't see point in discussing this further.

Just one last word "Tomatoes" that's all.

Oh my god.

I can't wait till you guys actually go to Japan and see it for the normal country it is and not this all-mighty diefied "anime-land" you guys seem to think it is.

; It's easy to tell wannabe-anime from real anime I find. You can try to mimic but it's no match for growing up in Japan and being surrounded by their art styles and techniques growing up.

I don't think the nations are distinct at all though. (...) All the nations people looked like each other because they all dressed in the same two-tone robe scheme. (...) None of the outfits or designs stood out, and coupled with very basic face and hair styles you could replace the characters with backgrounds characters and it wouldn't change much.

They can only reference, not create or stand out on their own. (...) They can't recreate Asian culture if they grew up in a Suburban American town. You can reference and research but it'll never be like anime where it's not even a concious descision when it's being made.

I don't like the 'anime vs. cartoons' argument, because it seems so stupid. What's the point? What are the stakes? So far as I can tell there's no worthwhile point and there are no stakes, because I can watch either. I do have to make choices since I don't have infinite time, but I'm not so pressed that it's serious choice. The whole things stinks of adolescent rebellion. Couldn't you just say, "f**k you mom!" and spare us? The people doing it might be considerably older than that magical stage of our lives when we're horrible, but I think we've seen clear evidence that you can be as old as thirty and have barely matured a whit.

There is no point, but weeaboos have internalized "Cartoons are for kids" to the point that they feel the need to justify their anime fandom by screeching about how anime isn't for kids.

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I don't like the 'anime vs. cartoons' argument, because it seems so stupid. What's the point? What are the stakes? So far as I can tell there's no worthwhile point and there are no stakes, because I can watch either. I do have to make choices since I don't have infinite time, but I'm not so pressed that it's serious choice. The whole things stinks of adolescent rebellion. Couldn't you just say, "f**k you mom!" and spare us? The people doing it might be considerably older than that magical stage of our lives when we're horrible, but I think we've seen clear evidence that you can be as old as thirty and have barely matured a whit.

There is no point, but weeaboos have internalized "Cartoons are for kids" to the point that they feel the need to justify their anime fandom by screeching about how anime isn't for kids.

you know a little something in me just wonders if you or anyone who uses that these days even knows what it means.

Can't someone just have no interest in something? Like going into a store, browsing and finding nothing they want to buy, then leaving and going to another store across the street? Doesn't have to be some rebellious kid/consipracy thing, just a preference thing.